We didn't give them nukes, they developed those on their own. We did turn a blind eye though. Yes they do subdue people in shacks. But they also defended themselves from a multiple country attack at once, from legitimate armed forces of Syria and Egypt. It might have helped if those people in shacks didn't fire missiles into their territory from time to time. Both sides are to blame. Point fingers all you want. The only way the fighting will stop is if both sides decide they want it to stop. When the people as a majority decide they want it to stop, and take the steps to make it happen (on both sides) it will stop. But not until then. I also wanted to point out this is another case where once again, religion causes violence. I could only imagine how much less killing there would be in the world if the religious zealots that cause most of the violence were gone.
"Subdue people in shacks?" How about "finding and killing people who are launching randomly-aimed explosive devices out of shacks?"
Tell Israel to stop killing civilians and bulldozing the shack towns of Palestinians and that would go a long way. Obviously Palestinians would like some of their land back. The part that Israelis said was for the Palestinians but then decided to take anyways. 100% agreed I get that Israel is the only Jewish country surrounded by a bunch of Muslim ones and that could be dicey. I really think they could do themselves a favor by just letting the Palestinians live in peace. Thats what EVERY country that has a problem with Israel is bitching about. You dont have to leave your land, just stop the killing. Nobody Palestinian wants to be a suicide bomber over there, its just out of desperation. What would you want to do if your entire family was killed by soldiers??? Two wrongs dont make a right but its gone waaay past that over there. REAL Israeli and Palestinian peace would do wonders for over there.
What Palestinians are able to do to Israelis is like a flea trying to kick a dogs ass. Its not even close to what the guy with the rocket has had to endure.
How does the asymmetry matter? Do you also believe we weren't justified in going after Al-Qaeda after 9/11? After all, what's a few thousand civilians to a country of 300M people?
So you dont think Palestinians have any right to be pissed off about what is constantly done to them? Do you see Israeli home being bulldozed? No. So you dont think Palestinians were provoked in any way? Americans arent trying to take land because of 9/11 and blatantly kill civilians
I see Israel defending itself. I think bulldozing a suicide bomber's property is meant as a disincentive. And clearly you didn't understand my previous post. The Oslo Accords gave Arafat 98% of what he wanted and he turned it down. The Palestinians aren't interested in peace; they're interested in the destruction of a democratic state.
Arafat is dead....move on Peoples mindsets can change Id also be willing to bet the majority of bulldozing were of families shacks, not half assed military posts
I think the *people* probably wan't peace... but they are also just pawns. There is a lot of manipulation going on. I remember a classic video of palestian funeral procession where they were supposedly carrying someone killed by Isreal and then they dropped the casket and guy rolls out... jumps back up and tries to get back in it. The people around scattered like crazy. It's not coincidence that terrorists meet in houses filled with women and children... there are either shields or are wonderful for PR if someone does attack. They hope the public outcry is enough to stop the next leader from getting killed... and even if it doesn't it does create a LOT of resentment in the area. Either way it serves their cause.
There's an old saying: The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Arafat was their George Washington. The folks in Gaza--the people who you claim whose mindsets have changed--elected Hamas. The Palestinians have been used by the Arab world to keep their street under control. After all, if they're bitching about the opression of the Palestinians, they don't bitch about their own opression. And you're right about what was bulldozed. It's been well-advertised by the Israelis that if someone is a suicide bomber, the house in which they resided will be bulldozed. Personally, I put the blame on the suicide bomber.
I blame suicide bombers too. What are they suicide bombing about anyway? I would ask, but they blow themselves up before I can. Guess I'll never know, not that I'd care anyway.
Maybe their entire innocent family getting killed and they have a feeling of nothing to live for...I dont condone killing but its not that hard to imagine the daily horrors/oppression they have had to deal with since birth. LINK Israelis also trash the Muslim area of Jerusalem. I saw it with my own eyes. Literally throw their trash in that area, grafitti...in the 2nd most important place in the world for the Muslim religion. They take European tourists into the Muslim section only with a heavily armed escort implying the Muslims are a bunch of crazies. I was 18 or so and walked the streets by myself without the ability to speak Arabic or Hebrew and had no problems nor saw any potential problems
DaRizzle, you lost me when your link had the word "Zionist" in it. Do you want a response link from Bibi Netanyahu? That's the credence with which we can take your link.
Yeah, I'm unconvinced. I don't think anything in that quote of yours was true, DaRizzle. Probably because it had a loaded word in there somewhere.
