You could also argue that there's no way, even with fully automatic weapons, that a fully armed citizenry could put up even a cursory fight against an army that can bring jets, tanks, and nuclear bombs to bear. In that respect, the 2nd Amendment has failed miserably, and since I'm not really on the side of giving your average citizen a nuclear bomb, perhaps its time is over, for the safety of the citizens in their squabbles with one another.
Did our forefathers, when writing the constitution, envision that the amendment would be used to allow 18+ year olds to walk around in public with semi auto weapons like the kind used in these spree type killings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland And then there's this So why is it that Switzerland issues every male citizen between the ages of 20 and 30 a military grade weapon (fully automatic and semi-automatic) and yet they have less gun crime than assaults committed with blades?
Because everyone has had military training and doesn't think they're fucking Chuck Norris? Switzerland's murder rate as a whole is 1/6 ours, too.
Shooter: Jacob Tyler Roberts (born: 1990) of Portland One of the victims was from North East Portland, the other West Linn.
But that's not the contention. There have been posts in this thread saying that the public should have not have access to military grade weapons. Switzerland issues fully automatic weapons to their populace to keep in their homes, and yet they have fewer gun crimes than those committed with a knife or with fists. These are not just replicas of military weapons, but actual military grade weapons that could inflict unbelievable amounts of damage. I just think it's interesting.
4chan and the shooter KATU apparently has information that the shooter talked about this on 4chan. I've been there once and really don't want to browse that board.
Re: 4chan and the shooter That place is crazy... I wouldn't be surprised if they encouraged him too. A bunch of sociopaths in that place.
You could argue that if you wanted to display your naivete' about the realities of war and insurgency, but history has proven you wrong numerous times.
Re: 4chan and the shooter WEST LINN, OR (KPTV) - One of two people shot and killed at the Clackamas Town Center mall has been identified as Steve Forsyth, of West Linn, FOX 12 has learned through sources. Two people were killed when a gunman opened fire in a mall food court in Clackamas. Sources told FOX 12 that Forsyth was one of the three people shot at the mall Tuesday afternoon. Forsyth and one other victim died of their injuries. The third shooting victim, Kristina Shevchenko, survived. The Clackamas County Sheriff's Office has not confirmed the identity of the victims. Forsyth owned a marketing agency in Portland, and formerly worked for Entercom Communications, which owns radio stations in the city. A number of tweets shared early Wednesday expressed sympathy for Forsyth's children. On Tuesday, witnesses said they saw the gunman jogging through Macy's and others reported seeing him pull out the gun and open fire in the food court area. Witness Kelly Lay said the shooter did not appear to have an intended target. Lay was ordering a burrito at Taco Time in the food court when he heard the shots. "All I could really see was gunshots and people scattering everywhere," Lay said.
They envisioned all citizens would have the right to arm themselves with the current weaponry of the day, yes. I see people carrying guns here in Beautiful Central Oregon just about every day. Some "concealed", many others open-carry. I often open-carry. The 2nd Amendment is the only strong deterrent to violence against citizens happening more than it does. It should be obvious to all that our current gun laws, and all gun laws that have preceded them, have zero effect on what crazy people and criminals do, or whether or not they can obtains guns.
So the shooter was a 40 year old father of 2 from West Linn.......... crazy! I have a couple good friends of mine that worked with him at Entercom.......according to their facebook posts he was a real cool down to earth guy....... said they were with him last week at a christmas party and seemed normal! Maybe he just snapped!!!!
MARIS, you are the one person on this board that I think can answer this question I posed from the perspective about which I'm curious. Would you be willing to comment?
