Shooting at Fort Hood

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  1. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Military officials say Hasan, 39, was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to the Texas base in July

    A psychiatrist goes off the deep end and goes on a shooting spree killling innocent people . . . I thought they were suppose to help stop people from doing this.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

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    Just reported, Hasan is wounded but still alive. Hopefully he lives and will be found competent enough to stand trail... so we can execute this POS.
     
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    Religion of Peace strikes again!
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    A man who was given a complete government free ride towards a medical degree chooses this as a thank you.
     
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    RIP to the victims...damn :(
     
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    There is a special place in hell for people like him.
     
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    Yes BlazerWookie... I was in Army and spend 2 years at Ft Hood and it always bothered me that there was more access to ammunition off post than on. Seriously... well coordinated attacks could just about take over a base. The ammo is so locked up by the time anyone could get to it... it would be over. MPs have ammo but handguns are no match for the firepower someone could bring.
     
  8. Colonel Ronan

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    Well, I think from this day forward there will be a lot more armed soldiers at Ft. Hood.
     
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    CelticKing The Green Monster

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    I know it happened at any army fort but I"m just saying when you think about it, we are not secure at all, we're basically asking to be attacked by the enemy with providing free access anywhere.
     
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    They were speculating a lot of the injuries might have been caused by friendly fire.
     
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    Wouldn't it technically all be friendly fire seeing as he was a United States officer?
     
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    There are some military bases where there is nothing but a small fence for security. That'll keep a kid out. Even ones with larger fences with barbed wire on top are a small deterence. Then there are the training areas... National Training Center in California etc... that are just miles of nothing... very easy to penetrate and then the posts are filled with civilian contractors... heck some when I was om some bases were not ever closed... anyone can drive right in if they want (without ID).

    I am sure you will here the token talks about beefing up security and all... but really... it isn't worth the money. You could spend billions and billions and they still would be vulerable to the willing. So in that respect I agree with Maris61... but the idea that our bases are super protected or something... I think is false.
     
  13. SlyPokerDog

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    Why don't you send him a nice letter and tell him your idea. He can use it for his defense.

    And after he is found guilty and put in front of a firing squad you might want to point out that he'll be executed by friendly fire too.
     
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    I get the feeling you got the wrong idea from my post.
     
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    Wow, Obama's home town local NBC affiliate ripped him a new one over how he handled the situation.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

    Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
    A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.

    President Obama didn't wait long after Tuesday's devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.

    After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president.

    The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

    But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

    Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.

    Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.

    Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing.

    It must have been disappointing for many politically aware Democrats, still reeling from the election two days before. The New Jersey gubernatorial vote had already demonstrated that the president and his political team couldn't produce a winning outcome in a state very friendly to Democrats (and where the president won by 15 points one year ago). And now this? Congressional Democrats must wonder if a White House that has burdened them with a too-heavy policy agenda over the last year has a strong enough political operation to help push that agenda through.

    If the president's communications apparatus can't inform -- and protect -- their boss during tense moments when the country needs to see a focused commander-in-chief and a compassionate head of state, it has disastrous consequences for that president's party and supporters.

    All the president's men (and women) fell down on the job Thursday. And Democrats across the country have real reason to panic.

    New York writer Robert A. George blogs at Ragged Thots. Follow him on Twitter.
     
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    Jesus... It's amazing how you cons turn this into a partisan thing right away.
     
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  18. Denny Crane

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    I didn't see Obama speak on this. I have no opinion about it, but found it interesting that his home town news station would post this.

    My comment is about the press, not Obama.
     
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  19. Denny Crane

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125769764441836773.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

    Lieberman Suggests Army Shooter Was 'Home-Grown Terrorist'

    By BRODY MULLINS

    A senior U.S. senator on Sunday said the shootings at Fort Hood could have been a terrorist attack, and that he would launch a congressional investigation into whether the U.S. military could have prevented it.

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who heads the Senate's Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, said initial evidence suggested that the alleged shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, was a "self-radicalized, home-grown terrorist" who had turned to Islamic extremism while under personal stress.

    Mr. Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, had opened fire Thursday at a soldier processing center at Fort Hood, Tex., killing 13 and wounding 29 in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S.

    Mr. Lieberman, appearing on "Fox News Sunday," cautioned that it remained too early to draw any definitive conclusions. He said his comments were based on "reports that we are receiving" about Mr. Hasan's actions and comments.

    The Army's top officer, Gen. George Casey, wouldn't rule out that the shooting was an act of terrorism, but cautioned against speculation at this point. "We all want to know what happened and what motivated the suspect, but we need to … let the investigation take its course," he told ABC News's "This Week."

    Mr. Lieberman said that if news reports were true that Mr. Hasan had turned to Islamic extremism, "the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act and, in fact, it was the most-destructive terrorist act to be committed on American soil since 9/11."

    "We don't know enough to say now, but there are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act," Mr. Lieberman added.

    The lawmaker said he would begin a Senate investigation aimed at uncovering Mr. Hasan's motives and asking "whether the Army missed warning signs." He also called on the Pentagon to begin an independent investigation to determine whether "warning signs were missed."

    Mr. Lieberman said preliminary evidence suggested that Mr. Hasan had denounced the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "In the U.S. Army, this is not a matter of constitutional freedom of speech," the senator said. "If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone."

    Gen. Casey said the Army was conducting an investigation to try to determine the motivation behind the shootings. "We in the Army will take a very hard look at ourselves and ask ourselves some very hard questions," he said.

    He expressed concern that speculation about the shooting could result in a "backlash" against Muslim soldiers. "What happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even-greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here," he said. "We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society. And that gives us all strength."

    Gen. Casey said the Army has taken steps to help identify and help soldiers with mental health issues in an effort to prevent repeats of the shooting at Fort Hood. He said the Army encouraged members of the military to seek treatment for post-traumatic stress.

    The Army has also partnered with the National Institute for Health on a $50 million study of suicide, and has a $125 million program aimed at giving soldiers and their family members the "resilient skills they need to make it through these tough times," the general said.

    Write to Brody Mullins at brody.mullins@wsj.com
     
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    Question: Can it be considered "terrorism" if the act was self-generated? I think so. We call Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols terrorists, so why don't we call this maggot a terrorist? Simple. Political correctness.

    If his name were Bob Smith and he attended a Pentocostal Church and talked about the Rapture, we'd have no problem labeling a terrorist.

    I'm all for not hurting other people's feelings when possible, but the truth is more important.
     

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