Just to look I to the psychology of people who hold tight to their guns, I think my bolded line is a big reason why. Most people feel helpless, but those who have guns legally don't feel quite as helpless. Many worry about what could befall in the future, but feeling that you have the power to protect your loved ones is a big reason why people have guns. Will the guns ever actually help or actually place someone in more danger, that's debatable, but the visceral feeling of strength and ability to defend oneself is a big reason many have guns.
Actually RR7 brought up DUII. I was merely addressing his point. Because obviously I'm smarter than you. Duh. When have I ever said that? When have I ever said "leave my guns alone?" I said that I don't think most of the suggested gun laws would actually accomplish anything. That has nothing to do with how I feel about guns. I'm being realistic. I don't think passing more gun laws will have the desired effect, but just keep on throwing out those buzz words and maybe the problem will go away. Again, where did I ever say anything about my guns or my rights? You're heaping your bullshit prejudices about gun owners on me. This whole thread has been about trying to figure out a viable solution. I have offered my opinions. Take them or leave them. Don't put words in my mouth and don't try to put subtext in my posts that aren't actually there.
It's unfortunate that those opposed to tighter firearm restrictions in this country have no clue what the real issues are. First, contrary to the NRA's hard line, no one is coming to take your guns. seriously, no one. This is an NRA scare tactic and it's a blatant lie. Unfortunately, the uneducated are believing the lie. Second, no one proposing tighter firearm restrictions is saying that all shootings will cease. What they are, in fact saying, is that some of these events -- not all -- but some, can be prevented or curtailed. Third, no one is denying that poor mental health (i.e. depression) is not a major factor in many of these events. Any search for a solution to these events must involve aspects of mental health. Fourth, while opponents of firearm restrictions hide behind the second amendment, not one of them can point to any part of it which says the amendment is designed to murder children in schools. There is no single end-all, be-all solution to the prevention of these acts. only the dimwitted don't understand that. Only the dimwitted think that massive amounts of other people think as they do. Steps need to be taken and a portion of those steps must involve tighter restrictions. The second amendment was not designed to enable the murdering of children in schools. Most gun owners are likely responsible and know the potential power of their firearms. Unfortunately, we need to compensate for those who do not. Claiming "we need better parenting" as the outright solution is absolutely ridiculous. If we want to curtain these acts, then it's going to take a combination of all things, including increased background checks and bans on assault weapons, and mental health measures. The status quo is not working. It's time to fix this problem instead of talking about why it shouldn't be fixed.
lol . . don't put words in your mouth and don't put subtext in your posts that aren't actually there and yet you take such liberty doing it over and over. but just keep on throwing out those buzz words and maybe the problem will go away How many times can you say that. Did I say stricter regulation would make the problem go away? Who has? You sound like a broken record and yet nobody says that. I decide to play your game and you cry "don't put works in my mouth and don't try to put subtext in my posts that aren't there" . . . thank you for making my point.
Good argument? No he didn't. Saying nobody is coming to take your guns is a pretty gray area. Thousands of gun owners in New York and Connecticut have guns that were legal but now are not. Making them illegal and not having come to take them doesn't mean they won't try. I don't think they have the balls though.
Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used. The overwhelming evidence suggests the single largest common factor in all of these incidents is that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes. Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 " Mainstream Media " reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs... ...On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs: Eric Harris, age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold, aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public. Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded. Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event. Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac. Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft. Mathew Miller, age 13, hanged himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days. Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment. Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others. A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school. Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.. A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another. Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates. Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat. James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers. Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania. Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California. Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times. Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman. Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister. Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications. Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants. Alex Kim, age 13, hanged himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled. Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself. Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide - hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002. Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hanged herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...") Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002. Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself. Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hanged herself in her family's detached garage. Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet. Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill. Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms. A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased. Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions." Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system. Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School - then he committed suicide. Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone. Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school... Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds.... What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on? Age 21, killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, AZ. What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on? Age 24, killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora, CO. What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on? Age 22, killed 2 injured 1 in Clackamas, OR. What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on? Age 20, killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown, CT. Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance. http://www.sott.net/article/279716-...hares-one-thing-in-common-and-it-isnt-weapons
So, being fascinated with guns and believing you are always right is psychosis??? There must be a lot of psychosis in this thread.
http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_slain_r.html#incart_maj-story-1 Emilio was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is hard to imagine being his parent or loved one. The teacher saved many lives that day.
At 15, to be that OCD about guns, to be that OCD and to get into arguments w/others or come across aggressive because you need to be right, points to a behavioral problem. Just from how the other school kids were describing him, I can already tell he was OCD. Where there is smoke there is fire.
That's pretty telling, and pretty much sums up what I believe the problems are. Those SSRI drugs are NOT good.
Somebody better talk to MarAzul's parents. He was admittedly OBSESSED with guns at age 7 until he could join the military!!!!
Yeah, and almost everyone that dies from cancer also had cancer treatment drugs. COINCIDENCE?! Point being, those individuals were identified and trying to be helped. So perhaps if anything, your argument says it's not about the mental health. They were receiving help, but not enough. If you think medications aren't useful, you and Tom Cruise can teach me how to fly by jumping on a coach next.
If you want to disprove a link, it might be relevant to find a list of shooters who weren't on the drugs.
You're confused? I suggested finding a list of shooters not on the drugs vs. the list of shooters who were on the drugs.
