1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27 thats a bunch of other amendments. lets just concentrate on preserving them.
There's a lot of lunatics like this in rural southern Oregon/ northern California. A lot of them fall through the cracks since they can just disappear in the rural areas.
It's pointless to argue. We have the same people saying ban guns or certain guns like semi automatics, etc. I will point this out for the millionth time, there are places in this country that have the strictest gun laws and it doesn't matter, Chicago being my go to example. Every time that point is made, nobody has a counterpoint. I think there should be stricter background checks but honestly the issue nobody wants to talk about is mental health. That's the real issue. I could sit here and point out all those that have died by car accidents every year or even the terrorist attacks done with vehicles or knives. It doesn't matter. Always goes back to guns. The terrorist attack in Nice that happened not long ago was done with a truck and that person killed 77 with it. Lets go to china. 2014. 29 killed by dudes with knives. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html. Seems to me the real issue here is religious ideology and extremism and mental health issues. Whether its a terrorist attack or a lone gunman opening fire on people. I google how many guns are in the states. This is dated 2013 More than a third of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun. There are by various estimates anywhere from 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States — close to one firearm for every man, woman and child. But in point of fact, only a minority of Americans own guns. Okay so that tells me based on how many guns we have, these shootings that occur really aren't all that often given the amount of guns in this country and how many Americans own them. I look at these shootings and hate them too, it's disgusting. My first thought though isn't about guns. Honestly it's mental health. Backed by statistics, guns aren't the issue in this country.
How is it not given the strict gun laws there and how many murders occur a week by gun not counting for those injured?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...ng/ct-20-shot-weekend-20171113-story,amp.html Weekend violence in Chicago included two men killed by rifle fire as they left a party in Brighton Park, a 14-year-old boy shot in the leg on the Far South Side and two men wounded on Lake Shore Drive within 15 minutes of each other. In all, 20 people were shot in the city from Friday afternoon through early Monday, bringing the number of people shot this year to at least 3,228. That's more than 600 people this time last year, but still substantially higher than other recent years, according to data kept by the Tribune. There have been at least 598 homicides this year, 88 fewer that last year but, again, notably higher than other recent years. Chicago is close to recording 600 homicides for only the second time since 2003, when 601 homicides were recorded for the entire year. Mostly done with guns obtained illegally
@Cippy91, first of all, Chicago doesn't have the strictest gun laws. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...hicago-gun-laws-explainer-20171006-story.html Secondly, it doesn't mean anything because it's one location in a nation with pours gun laws. Thirdly, yes, there are ~300M guns in the US, and I own several. And a many gun owners, a majority according to some polls, support some tighter restrictions or regulations. Go to armslist.com and see how easy it is to buy without meeting any criteria, without a background check, without providing a name or an ID. Without having to show that you aren't a felon, without having to checked out that you aren't mentally ill, without anything whatsoever. Is mental instability and lack of adequate mental healthcare a huge problem that would also help? Absolutely. But just because one thing matters doesn't mean others don't. We can offer better healthcare, we can have more safety nets and we can also make sure those who are prone to violence are not allowed to buy legally or to easily be able to buy illegally by methods that aren't tracked or reviewed. We can have some restrictions and still not ban all guns. There is an in-between.
WTF is this shit? Put my post back how it was, and stop implying it was somehow an insult because it was not.
Not the strictest but some of the strictest if we are talking state to state. My post was addressing the stupid “ban guns” opinion. That’s not happening. I’m all in favor of stricter background checks and all that. I just think the over reaction of just “banning guns” makes zero sense. This country does not take care of its own people, even veterans get shitty treatment from their issues coming back from the war resulting in high suicide rate among them. Mental health is the issue here. That’s what drives people to do this type of shit to others or themselves. No sane person even at the angriest just says fuck it I’m gonna go kill a few people. It takes a mentally ill person to do those kind of things
If your post was addressing the 'ban guns" opinion I don't know why you would bring up Chicago at all, as it has not even come remotely close to such a thing. If you want to perhaps look at a parallel for your argument, perhaps look at some nations like Australia that have banned guns (for the most part). As far as being in favor of stricter background checks and stuff like that, those are the things the majority of people are rallying for regarding gun restrictions. The "ban all guns" side is tiny and has zero chance of success. So, you and I agree on the need to bolster our healthcare system and make sure metal healthcare is a priority for everyone and we agree that some gun restrictions need to be implemented. Good to know you are with us buddy.
Illinois. I have a friend who lives there and hunts, they can’t even use rifles. Shotguns they can but only at certain times of hunting season. I have looked over the gun laws in that state and Chicago and while it’s not the strictest, it’s up there
And on a side note, I have read so very interesting debate on the danger of assigning insanity or mental illness to those who commit atrocities. I am not a psychiatrist and don't really know enough about the topic but there have been books written about how Hitler may have been evil, terrible, and every other bad name you can conjure up, but he wasn't mentally ill. And by putting all these villains in the "sick" box we aren't endeavoring how to really understand them, their motivations and their reasoning. And without that piece of the puzzle, we will be bound to produce more of these people in society. To tell the truth, I am not sure which side of this argument I fall on. It's hard to think of Hitler as anything but insane.
My point was that no matter how strict your gun laws are and even if you banned them, these type of people would still find a way to illegally obtain them and do harm with them
It is legal to own rifles in Illinois. Here's a refresher course. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois There may be certain hunting restrictions, but that has nothing to do with ones ability to own a rifle.
The issue with that is, what is evil? Can it be defined? It all comes back to some sort of mental issue or disorder. Hitler could fall under the category of a bunch of mental issues. I feel there is way more to learn about mental health and illnesses. Hitler was a mixed bag of all sorts of shit
