<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Spurs look like they had any trouble defending the Nets' simple pick and roll offense? Of course it worked against the Bucks, but having no inside scorer hamstrings the offense against even decent defensive teams. Since the Nets don't have an alternative player right now that can draw attention in the paint, it makes sense to try and get Krstic back to where he was. He was a player that had to be respected if he caught the ball within 8 feet of the basket, and not having that is the #1 reason the Nets are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even though they have two big time scorers. That's why it's hilarious that some people watched last night's game and wanted to get rid of Nenad. All it did for me is underscore how the team is going nowhere unless he improves at least to the point where he has to be guarded. Is it great that he's the key? No. But that's the situation. The rest of the team is improved enough that they would be a tough out in the playoffs if Nenad can contribute.</div> Bingo. Great post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Spurs look like they had any trouble defending the Nets' simple pick and roll offense? Of course it worked against the Bucks, but having no inside scorer hamstrings the offense against even decent defensive teams. Since the Nets don't have an alternative player right now that can draw attention in the paint, it makes sense to try and get Krstic back to where he was. He was a player that had to be respected if he caught the ball within 8 feet of the basket, and not having that is the #1 reason the Nets are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even though they have two big time scorers. That's why it's hilarious that some people watched last night's game and wanted to get rid of Nenad. All it did for me is underscore how the team is going nowhere unless he improves at least to the point where he has to be guarded. Is it great that he's the key? No. But that's the situation. The rest of the team is improved enough that they would be a tough out in the playoffs if Nenad can contribute.</div> Bingo. Great post. </div> Overall are scoring has been up since Kidd left...Kidd as great as he is was barely getting 10 a game playing 40 mins at PG with Armstrong playing 8-10 mins providing zero offense...coupled with the fact that Collins and Allen started the season combining for around 8 a game is the reason statistically we have one of the worst offenses in the league... Boone is gonna get around 10 a game, Sean will get around 7, Swift 5 and Diop 3...and thats being pessimistic in regards to their scoring...Thats 25 points a game... Coupled with the tandem of Harris and Marcus we'll get another 25 per game... Thats 50 points per game... If RJ and Vince only score 20 each and Boki and Hassell combining for only 10 a game (Boki averages 10 by himself) then the total some on a given night will be around 100 pts a game...That is 6 points more than we have averaged this season. When a team lacks a scoring PG then it is indeed a necessity to have a frontcourt player who can score 15-16 points a game consistenly...however when your team features PGs with the ability to score than the team is better served playing frontcourt players who are better defensively... Krstic's is the teams worst defensive big man and honestly one of the worst rebounding bigs on the team with the exception of Swift... We'd be better served benching him and allowing him to either sign the QA this offseason or walk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 3 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Spurs look like they had any trouble defending the Nets' simple pick and roll offense? Of course it worked against the Bucks, but having no inside scorer hamstrings the offense against even decent defensive teams. Since the Nets don't have an alternative player right now that can draw attention in the paint, it makes sense to try and get Krstic back to where he was. He was a player that had to be respected if he caught the ball within 8 feet of the basket, and not having that is the #1 reason the Nets are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even though they have two big time scorers. That's why it's hilarious that some people watched last night's game and wanted to get rid of Nenad. All it did for me is underscore how the team is going nowhere unless he improves at least to the point where he has to be guarded. Is it great that he's the key? No. But that's the situation. The rest of the team is improved enough that they would be a tough out in the playoffs if Nenad can contribute.</div> Bingo. Great post. </div> Overall are scoring has been up since Kidd left...Kidd as great as he is was barely getting 10 a game playing 40 mins at PG with Armstrong playing 8-10 mins providing zero offense...coupled with the fact that Collins and Allen started the season combining for around 8 a game is the reason statistically we have one of the worst offenses in the league... Boone is gonna get around 10 a game, Sean will get around 7, Swift 5 and Diop 3...and thats being pessimistic in regards to their scoring...Thats 25 points a game... Coupled with the tandem of Harris and Marcus we'll get another 25 per game... Thats 50 points per game... If RJ and Vince only score 20 each and Boki and Hassell combining for only 10 a game (Boki averages 10 by himself) then the total some on a given night will be around 100 pts a game...That is 6 points more than we have averaged this season. When a team lacks a scoring PG then it is indeed a necessity to have a frontcourt player who can score 15-16 points a game consistenly...however when your team features PGs with the ability to score than the team is better served playing frontcourt players who are better defensively... Krstic's is the teams worst defensive big man and honestly one of the worst rebounding bigs on the team with the exception of Swift... We'd be better served benching him and allowing him to either sign the QA this offseason or walk. </div> The team has definitely improved offensively, but they played a good defensive team yesterday and had no answers for them. They scored 83 points because they had no inside presence. In the playoffs, you have to have a team that's hard to defend. Right now, the Nets are still too easy to gameplan against.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 3 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Spurs look like they had any trouble defending the Nets' simple pick and roll offense? Of course it worked against the Bucks, but having no inside scorer hamstrings the offense against even decent defensive teams. Since the Nets don't have an alternative player right now that can draw attention in the paint, it makes sense to try and get Krstic back to where he was. He was a player that had to be respected if he caught the ball within 8 feet of the basket, and not having that is the #1 reason the Nets are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even though they have two big time scorers. That's why it's hilarious that some people watched last night's game and wanted to get rid of Nenad. All it did for me is underscore how the team is going nowhere unless he improves at least to the point where he has to be guarded. Is it great that he's the key? No. But that's the situation. The rest of the team is improved enough that they would be a tough out in the playoffs if Nenad can contribute.</div> Bingo. Great post. </div> Overall are scoring has been up since Kidd left...Kidd as great as he is was barely getting 10 a game playing 40 mins at PG with Armstrong playing 8-10 mins providing zero offense...coupled with the fact that Collins and Allen started the season combining for around 8 a game is the reason statistically we have one of the worst offenses in the league... Boone is gonna get around 10 a game, Sean will get around 7, Swift 5 and Diop 3...and thats being pessimistic in regards to their scoring...Thats 25 points a game... Coupled with the tandem of Harris and Marcus we'll get another 25 per game... Thats 50 points per game... If RJ and Vince only score 20 each and Boki and Hassell combining for only 10 a game (Boki averages 10 by himself) then the total some on a given night will be around 100 pts a game...That is 6 points more than we have averaged this season. When a team lacks a scoring PG then it is indeed a necessity to have a frontcourt player who can score 15-16 points a game consistenly...however when your team features PGs with the ability to score than the team is better served playing frontcourt players who are better defensively... Krstic's is the teams worst defensive big man and honestly one of the worst rebounding bigs on the team with the exception of Swift... We'd be better served benching him and allowing him to either sign the QA this offseason or walk. </div> The team has definitely improved offensively, but they played a good defensive team yesterday and had no answers for them. They scored 83 points because they had no inside presence. In the playoffs, you have to have a team that's hard to defend. Right now, the Nets are still too easy to gameplan against. </div> I blame some off that on falling behind early, Boone getting screwed by the refs, and Frank's insistence at playing Hassell and Boki at PF...also RJ wass horrible offensively. We'd be better served playing Sean and Swift at PF and Boone and Diop at Center exclusively...Seeing that Sean and Swift have similar strengths and Boone and Diop have similar strengths (Although Boone is superior offensively) the team would finally get some consistentcy in the frontcourt which would allow the team to develop better chemistry as a unit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 3 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 3 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 3 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Spurs look like they had any trouble defending the Nets' simple pick and roll offense? Of course it worked against the Bucks, but having no inside scorer hamstrings the offense against even decent defensive teams. Since the Nets don't have an alternative player right now that can draw attention in the paint, it makes sense to try and get Krstic back to where he was. He was a player that had to be respected if he caught the ball within 8 feet of the basket, and not having that is the #1 reason the Nets are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even though they have two big time scorers. That's why it's hilarious that some people watched last night's game and wanted to get rid of Nenad. All it did for me is underscore how the team is going nowhere unless he improves at least to the point where he has to be guarded. Is it great that he's the key? No. But that's the situation. The rest of the team is improved enough that they would be a tough out in the playoffs if Nenad can contribute.</div> Bingo. Great post. </div> Overall are scoring has been up since Kidd left...Kidd as great as he is was barely getting 10 a game playing 40 mins at PG with Armstrong playing 8-10 mins providing zero offense...coupled with the fact that Collins and Allen started the season combining for around 8 a game is the reason statistically we have one of the worst offenses in the league... Boone is gonna get around 10 a game, Sean will get around 7, Swift 5 and Diop 3...and thats being pessimistic in regards to their scoring...Thats 25 points a game... Coupled with the tandem of Harris and Marcus we'll get another 25 per game... Thats 50 points per game... If RJ and Vince only score 20 each and Boki and Hassell combining for only 10 a game (Boki averages 10 by himself) then the total some on a given night will be around 100 pts a game...That is 6 points more than we have averaged this season. When a team lacks a scoring PG then it is indeed a necessity to have a frontcourt player who can score 15-16 points a game consistenly...however when your team features PGs with the ability to score than the team is better served playing frontcourt players who are better defensively... Krstic's is the teams worst defensive big man and honestly one of the worst rebounding bigs on the team with the exception of Swift... We'd be better served benching him and allowing him to either sign the QA this offseason or walk. </div> The team has definitely improved offensively, but they played a good defensive team yesterday and had no answers for them. They scored 83 points because they had no inside presence. In the playoffs, you have to have a team that's hard to defend. Right now, the Nets are still too easy to gameplan against. </div> I blame some off that on falling behind early, Boone getting screwed by the refs, and Frank's insistence at playing Hassell and Boki at PF...also RJ wass horrible offensively. We'd be better served playing Sean and Swift at PF and Boone and Diop at Center exclusively...Seeing that Sean and Swift have similar strengths and Boone and Diop have similar strengths (Although Boone is superior offensively) the team would finally get some consistentcy in the frontcourt which would allow the team to develop better chemistry as a unit. </div> It would be great if any of those guys could play in the post, but they haven't shown they can do that. I see no indication that will change anytime soon. Krstic has proven that he can be a dangerous offensive player in the post. Even now, when he is playing terribly, he represents the best chance the Nets have of getting that needed balance in the offense and freeing up the scorers to be consistently effective.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 3 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Krstic's is the teams worst defensive big man and honestly one of the worst rebounding bigs on the team with the exception of Swift... We'd be better served benching him and allowing him to either sign the QA this offseason or walk.</div> I've been watching him on the defensive end pretty closely and his team defense has been pretty good since he's come back. He doesn't block a lot of shots, but just his length around the rim has caused a lot of altered and missed shots.
Just to chime in on this, the Nets have NO BIG that can create his own shot in the post or that operates in that area with any real touch or finesse. Pre-injury Krstic DID have that ability, and Sean Williams shows raw talent that I believe could make him a good offensive threat in the paint (and beyond) in a couple of years. But right now, the only way the Net big men can score is on putbacks and setups that are perfect. If you aren't feeding them with an easy catch and dunk or if they have to finish over defensive challenges, as a group they are not reliable. Right now Swift looks to be the best offensive big man in the stable, which says a lot. Boone, for all his improvement defensively and on the boards, is never going to be an offensive inside presence beyond the above type of opportunities. He doesn't have particularly good hands, has zero finesse around the basket, is not elite athletically, and has already shown a fragile psyche. So he will get a lot of his shots blocked and will never be a guy that you throw the ball into and watch him go to work. He will always require spoon feeding. Diop, assuming he's resigned, is much the same as Boone but a little better in all respects, including having more imposing bulk and length. But he's not what anyone would consider an inside "scorer". I seriously doubt Swift was acquired as anything more than a vehicle for getting rid of Collins, and he is likely to be traded over the summer for a shooter or backup wing. That leaves Krstic. As a guy who showed the ability to score a little on his own inside, it's easy to see why the Nets are trying and should continue to try for the rest of the season to get him back to where he was. Short of a major trade and a lot of luck, he's the Nets' only reasonable prospect over the next year or two for a big man that can do some damage inside.
I hope Krstic starts the rest of the season. I want that #10 pick. FOMW, I doubt Swift will be dealt in the off-season--the only player Memphis could get for him was Jason Collins, who doesn't even have an expiring contract. I doubt anyone would want him. Anyway, Swift hasn't been bad since he's become a Net, he seems like a quiet, good-natured kid, and the Nets obviously like him, since they've tried to acquire him several times before. They may see him as a reclamation project. Anyway, I think you're being harsh on Boone. He is what he is--a solid contributor on a team where he doesn't have to be one of the first three options on offense. It's true that he can't create his own shot, but we knew that going in, and his defense has been getting better and better continually. Back to Krstic. Talk about your damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don't decisions for team managment. Do you resign him in the off-season? No matter what they do, they have an equal chance of it being a good decision or a terrible one.
i think krstic should start to see if we can milk him for what he has in that game because chances are he will be not as good witht eh second unit and opposing second units as well as they will be more physical with him. leave him out for the first 5 minutes, if he continues to look lost, sub in diop. if he hits that J, leave him in and sub out boone once he picks up two fouls
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 3 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i think krstic should start to see if we can milk him for what he has in that game because chances are he will be not as good witht eh second unit and opposing second units as well as they will be more physical with him. leave him out for the first 5 minutes, if he continues to look lost, sub in diop. if he hits that J, leave him in and sub out boone once he picks up two fouls</div> I think this is exactly what Frank is doing and why he is doing it.
yes, he's still our only big who has a chance at creating his own offense, and if we're going all out in the playoffs, we'll need that. You can't win with no one bringing attention in the paint. I voted Boki in his place, but I don't know why.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Mar 3 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope Krstic starts the rest of the season. I want that #10 pick. FOMW, I doubt Swift will be dealt in the off-season--the only player Memphis could get for him was Jason Collins, who doesn't even have an expiring contract. I doubt anyone would want him. Anyway, Swift hasn't been bad since he's become a Net, he seems like a quiet, good-natured kid, and the Nets obviously like him, since they've tried to acquire him several times before. They may see him as a reclamation project. Anyway, I think you're being harsh on Boone. He is what he is--a solid contributor on a team where he doesn't have to be one of the first three options on offense. It's true that he can't create his own shot, but we knew that going in, and his defense has been getting better and better continually. Back to Krstic. Talk about your damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don't decisions for team managment. Do you resign him in the off-season? No matter what they do, they have an equal chance of it being a good decision or a terrible one.</div> On Swift, it obviously depends on several factors . . . whether they resign Diop, whether they end up doing something big in the offseason (e.g., Brand) where Boone and/or Marcus and other consideration wind up in a trade. If Diop is resigned and no other big is included in a trade, then if I am Thorn I try like heck to trade Swift and something else for a shooter with a decent all-round game. We might need a shooter more at this point than we need an inside scoring presence, and that's saying a lot. Since Swift will be in the last year of his deal at $6M, he will be good trade fodder in combo with another piece, if not over the summer then for sure by the next deadline. With Diop around, Williams to develop, and (hopefully) Nenad to get back to form, I just don't see that it makes any sense to keep Swift at that salary when the 6M could be used to acquire something the Nets need much, much more. As for Boone, not trying to be harsh at all, just realistic about his limitations and what that means in terms of team needs. In addition to his steadily improving defense, he has a good nose for the ball, tracks it well off of penetration and seems to get in good position for putbacks. He's good enough at that to score his share of "garbage" points. But that is necessarily a derivative, less reliable, and less prolific type of scoring as opposed to even what Nenad was giving the Nets in 2006 before his injury. The biggest adjustment Frank and management need to make in the offseason is deciding how they are going to get more high percentage inside scoring. If they can't get it through a trade for a big man with some inside moves, they really need to put at least two big time outside shooters at the wing and 4 positions next year so that they can post Vince and RJ more and spread the defense enough to give them a decent chance to operate. I'm still disappointed that the Nets haven't used Vince in the post more this year, although I understand that with the lack of perimeter shooters earlier on, it was likely to produce more turnovers, bricks, and/or frustration than scores. But with Devin in the fold and Marcus getting more and more minutes (and shooting a nice percentage from 3 this year so far), the Nets should put their best post player to work, even if he is only 6'6".
