Should the Blazers resign Zach Collins?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by SharpesTriumph, Jun 29, 2021.

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Should the Blazers resign Collins and for how much?

  1. Yes, he is worth a multi year contract

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    4.9%
  2. Yes, for the qualifying offer one year $7 million

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    8.5%
  3. Yes, for the veteran minimum

    38 vote(s)
    46.3%
  4. No at any price, he is not worth a roster spot

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  1. BBert

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    This is awful. So much potential wasted. This day of age it makes me think some shitty surgeons. How can this not be corrected?
     
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    Yeah in theory it could have value. But how many trade exceptions and Raef LaFrentz Golden Tickets actually return value? If you look at history it's very unlikely or it's insignificant value. When teams give up rotational players they want talent back, not expiring dead money for injured players.

    With Zach on a $7.3 million contract having additional luxury tax (or less room to take on salary below the luxury tax) and using a roster spot its also very possible renouncing Zach's rights has more benefit than him on an expiring contract.
     
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    When has Neil made a trade before December?

    Its either done during the draft/free agency, or its done well after the start of the season. Plus all the trading partners often need to wait until December.
     
  6. KristinthBonkers

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    Zach isn’t going to be traded as a player unless the other team wants him.
    So having no asset is better than having an expiring contract as an asset. Who cares about luxury tax? If fans want penny-pinching like that, I hope they don’t complain when Dame leaves because letting Zach go for nothing sure doesn’t seem like ownership is serious about improving the roster.

    How are you going lose a roster spot? There are only 7 players under contract right now for next season and even those contracts have the Blazers over the cap so it’s not like Olshey can sign some free agent for that $7.3 million. Blevins is gone. Bam, there’s a roster spot. Hollis-Jefferson is gone. Bam, there’s two roster spots. Assuming DJJ opts out, bam, there’s three roster spots. All that is available is the $5.3 million MLE and veteran minimum contracts for Neil to being in new players via free agency. Other than that, it’s trades as the only other option, and Zach’s QO makes that a hell of a lot easier and broadens the available opportunities due to Portland already being capped.

    Thinking this is about Zach as a player isn’t thinking like a GM looking for deals. I don’t really know what else to say other than letting Zach walk for nothing takes a big bargaining chip off the table for a summer or training camp trade. I keep seeing “re-sign Kanter and trade him” but he’s going to get at least Zach’s QO money from another team or an MLE that’s close to it, so you have the exact same issue with a difference in maybe $6 million total in tax penalties between the two contracts. Plus you can’t trade him until just before a Christmas, and I doubt he’d re-sign here anyway knowing he’s trade bait. Why not just sign with a team of his choosing?
     
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    What are you talking about? Zach can get the QO before the draft/free agency and be able to be part of a draft day trade. Last year RoCo was acquired the day before the draft.
     
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    I believe olshey will be talking to doctor before he make a decision on Zach. If the doctors say they can fix the problem and he can resume play this year he probably going to sign some type of a contract. If the doctors yes they can fix but not certain it will hold more likely Zach career is over.
     
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    it wasn't about a specific part of the body...it was about a chronic injury that just can't seem to heal properly and a player who just can't seem to get past injuries. Zach is not unusual or unique in that. There have been plenty of big men who have had their careers seriously abbreviated because of injury. What is rare is a big who will come out of a rash of injuries and put together a stretch of healthy seasons. That's why Ilgauskas is ALWAYS mentioned in these discussions because he was about the only exception
     
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    should the Blazers offer Zach the QO? I'd say probably not.

    to start with, he hasn't met "starter criteria" so his QO will not be 7.3M. Near as I can figure it will be around 5.5M. With tax, that would mean the Blazers could pay 14M just for spec on a 5.5M expiring. That's a pretty steep price to pay for overrated expiring contract. Portland will already have over 40M in expiring contracts anyway. Granted, most of that will be on players in the rotation, but still, a potential trade next season will not fail because of a lack of expiring contract leverage

    then of course is that Zach can veto any trade. To pay 14M on spec for a 5.5M expiring you don't have full control over seems pretty dumb to me

    finally, in the remote chance that Zach actually returns late next season and plays decently, if he's playing on the QO he becomes UFA next summer. Portland would not have the right of first refusal.
     
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    I dont believe an injured Zach Collins making $7 million with trade veto ability is a "big bargaining chip". I'd say it worth almost nothing, maybe you can acquire a Kent Bazemore but you can also sign guys like that for the minimum.
     
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    I dont think any doctor will say yes he will play, they don't make those types of guarantees.

    They might say it's possible he fully recovers, but that will be Neil's fault if he uses such statement to sign Zach.
     
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    I guess we will find out this month what olshey will do.
     
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    His contract can be added to a trade for a better player and he can agree to not veto a trade but your mind is made up, I completely disagree you, so let’s move on to another topic.
     
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    I found the future Mrs. Collins.

     
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    His contract is a poker chip/ asset that can be used in a trade, doesn't mean he's worth that as a player. Strictly an engineering maneuver.
     
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    That’s been exactly my point and it seems to be a simple one if you get Zach and his agent to waive the no-trade in order to make over $5.3 million more than the minimum for a 4-year veteran. If they refuse, don’t sign him and he can beg around the league for a minimum contact. Zach would be foolish to not agree and as @RR7 stated earlier, be honest with Zach and say he’s only getting that QO because it’s a potential trade piece if he agrees to the terms.
     
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    https://theathletic.com/2709729/202...o-be-a-great-story/?source=emp_shared_article

    TL;DR - Blazers are NOT extending the QO to Zach.

     

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