Should the Military Be Allowed to Detain Americans Indefinitely?

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  1. Ed O

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    Why point out that "one girl" was discriminated against, then, merely for supporting Ron Paul?

    It sounds like an oversimplification or an outright fabrication to me.

    Ed O.
     
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    Ok, I dont wanna make it too hard, so "And indefinite forced servitude at the military's option."

    ok when was that ever forced upon you or anyone in this non draft era...you know Maris, fun is fun, and I do enjoy a laugh. I like to poke a little fun to troll the weak, but for a fictional persona. I really hope you are not as obtuse as the posts you make. You know, some of us did wear a uni and carry arms, we did so of our own free will, to mock that is in very poor taste, although you do have the hard fought for right to do so.

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  3. MARIS61

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    Why do you think all US males are forced to register or be imprisoned? They don't need the list for party invitations.

    The draft is still fresh in my memory, and I know I'll see it's return in my lifetime.
     
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    He was probably just trying to spare us the 30 million duplicate posts.
     
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    We haven't used the draft in 40 years, and in that time we've had a couple of different instances of mobilizing hundreds of thousands of reservists/national guardsmen/non-active duty military. If we're not going to institute the draft when we're fighting 2 wars/insurgencies consuming a quarter of a million troops in the combat zones, what does your crystal ball show as the catalyst for this "forced opportunity to utilize some responsibility that comes with those rights your government gives to you?"

    And if the draft is still "fresh in your memory," that explains some of your opinions on current events. :)
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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  8. MARIS61

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    Having actually been in the draft and faced the prospect my own country might imprison me for refusing to murder strangers for their pleasure/power, yeah it's still pretty fresh in my memory. That's why I know it's been 39 years, not 40.

    All it will take is a stroke of the President's pen to start it up again.

    The Selective Service System describes its mission as "...to serve the emergency manpower needs of the Military by conscripting untrained manpower, or personnel with professional health care skills, if directed by Congress and the President in a national crisis."...

    ...
    Structure and operation

    The Selective Service System is an independent federal agency within the Executive Branch of the Federal government of the United States.

    The Director of the Selective Service System reports directly to the President of the United States of America.[39]

    During peacetime the agency comprises a National Headquarters, three Regional Headquarters and a Data Management Center.[40] During a mobilization (draft), the agency would greatly expand by activating an additional 56 State Headquarters, 400+ Area Offices as well as 40+ Alternative Service Offices.[41]

    [edit] Mobilization (draft) procedures

    The description below is for a general draft. Different procedures would be followed for a special-skills draft, such as activation of the Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS).
    1.Congress and the President authorize a draft: The president claims a crisis has occurred which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which revises the Military Selective Service Act to initiate a draft for military manpower.
    2.The Lottery: A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during the calendar year the induction takes place, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19 and 18 year olds (in that order).
    3.All parts of the Selective Service System are activated: The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Force Officers to report for duty.
    4.Physical, mental and moral evaluation of registrants: Registrants with low lottery numbers receive examination orders and are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment.
    5.Local and appeal boards activated and induction notices sent: Local and Appeal Boards will begin processing registrant claims/appeals. Those who passed the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.
    6.First draftees are inducted: According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.


    As for when, I expect the next administration will do it. Our military was already woefully understaffed for our most recent wars, and we had to leave our populace unprotected so we could send untrained National Guardsmen to die for Halliburton. With the global war they're planning now they'll need all males either on the front lines or detained indefinitely in the DHS internment camps as provided for in the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act.
     
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    Rights can never be "given" by a government.

    They can only be left alone as they should be, or infringed upon as they usually are.
     
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    Look at the thread title, "Should the Military Be Allowed to Detain Americans Indefinitely?"

    The word "detain" is a code word for "torture."

    In case someone doesn't know this, I'll say it. Torture is the whole difference between getting a trial and being held incommunicado overseas. Torture is the whole reason behind having a legal system.

    When Sen. Lindsay uses the word detain, he's talking about torture, and adults understand this. There are some real monsters who get elected by using words that voters who are mental children fall for. The cooperative media never explains this, and is a controlled subsidiary of the evil system.

    There are many on both the left and right who oppose this, but as I said, intelligence agencies, who don't care about left or right, just maximizing power, would easily divide and conquer any attempt at a unifying consensus.
     

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