Should This Teacher Be Fired?

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  1. jlprk

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    He deserved it.
     
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    I would rather put a big sign display or picket sign on the sidewalk right outside his new school, and also hand out flyers of his lack of moral judgement as a teacher. That should damage his reputation right there the legal way (public street, freedom to express).
     
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    Most likely he shouldBe fired, but context also matters and we only have a snippet. When I was in the sixth grade a teacher picked me up by my collar and swung me around in a circle yelling at me. If that was caught on film it would have looked like abuse. But, 10 seconds earlier I was punching a kid in the jaw. The teacher did what needed to be done to stop the situation and get me to snap out of my rage. I am thankful he did what he did.
     
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    well now you have to be all reasonable and shit..

    context would be important, and a lot of people either refuse to accept that it plays a role, or just want to flat out ignore it because it's easier to have a knee jerk response.
     
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    Wait...you actually think people on a message board, looked at both sides of the story (or facts)?!

    ARE YOU MAD!?
     
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    I don't get it -- because the teacher refers to the bullying as "horseplay" and asserts that he didn't think anyone was being hurt, it's all good? Does his claim that the boy in question used to punch him in the hallways (poor guy!) make everyone "even" somehow? I read the letter, and it didn't change my mind in the least -- if this guy can't recognize that covering a student with desks and chairs, putting his socks in his mouth and drawing on his feet is obviously bullying, there is no hope for him.
     
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    it depends on what was going on, but "footage" can be deceiving. I'm not saying that the guy is 100% innocent, but that it might not be exactly as viewed.

    Things can be edited to make it look worse than they are.

    AT BEST, the guy was horsing around with students (and as an adult, teacher, and professional he has absolutely no business doing so).
     
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    He's a middle school wrestling coach teaching Kopatime, which I assume is coping time. In other words, they put their most retarded teacher in charge of their most retarded students, figuring he could connect better than shrinking violet teachers.

    He blurred the lines between the hazing which is normal in wrestling/football and the hands-off rules in an academic class. He writes that in P.E., the same student often jumps on P.E. teacher's backs, playfully tries to trip them, etc. That didn't happen in the class system of my day. Is this normal nowadays, or is this school district odd in the P.E. behavior it allows?
     
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    I just think its crazy that people immediately call for termination. His story is believable and he has an 18 year history of no incidents. Plus the video doesn't prove much, as it's edited.

    Sure, punish him. Put record of this in his file and tell him the next time something even remotely similar happens, he's fired.
     
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    His "story" is a non-story. It's just a bunch of euphemisms like "horseplay" that don't explain anything. I hear you on the edited video issue, but I'm really struggling to see ANY context for that kind of activity in class that would vindicate this guy. What -- do you think the video was edited to remove the part where the tiny kid was possessed by demons, thus justifying a massive takedown by four students AND THE TEACHER? Did we miss the part where the boy was begging to have his socks pulled off and shoved in his face? Please. At best this teacher lacks both professionalism and classroom management ability, and at worst he's a bully and a danger to the students in his care. In my mind, his extensive teaching experience is more of a negative than a positive -- if he's gone this long without figuring out how to manage students appropriately, he's not likely to change his ways just because of a 10-day suspension.
     
  12. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Allowing a helpless kid to be bullied and to participate in any way = you're fired.

    Period.

    It is beyond comprehension you stand for such crap.
     
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    I have seen kids that were good friends mess around like that in that video many times. My friends and I used to do similar stuff when I was that age. I can see why the teacher would think they were just kidding around and having fun if none of the boys were protesting. Sure, he shouldn't let any of it happen in a classroom setting, but I can totally see how he didn't realize this kid didn't enjoy it, if the kid never said anything.
     
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    sure, if that's what actually happened, I would agree with you. The problem is, I wasn't there. I don't know all the facts. I just read a little article and saw an edited cell phone video. I feel like there's some question over what exactly occurred in the classroom, and I believe 18 years of no incidents is enough to give the guy a second chance.
     
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    No second chances for allowing and participating in bullying- or either of the two, as a teacher is so reprehensible that I don't care if he has 30 years in, he's toast. There are some things that are fireable offenses- and this is one of them.
     
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    If only the U.S. would apply that standard at its torture centers.
     

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