Should we be worried? (Re: Radiation fallout)

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  1. Masbee

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    "millions"?

    Wow, your willful ignorance is stunning.
     
  2. Natebishop3

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    Firemen rush into burning buildings. A suicide mission, that takes on far greater risk in the case of a mass scale catastrophe like 9/11.

    I don't see a difference.
     
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    That's absurd, Denny. Firemen have cool red trucks, odd-shaped hats, and poles to slide down. Nuclear plant workers don't.

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  5. Masbee

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    Picture from Fukushima, showing LOTS of cool red trucks:

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    That's not the same thing Denny.


    Fire doesn't help cure cancer :devilwink:
     
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    Firemen lent the nuclear plant workers those trucks as part of the Japanese government initiative "Today self-esteem of nuclear plant worker is raised"

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    I think there is a pretty big difference between going into a dangerous situation thinking you'll probably make it out versus knowing that you are slowly poisoning yourself over days or weeks. While a lot of the first responders @ the WTC were risking their lives, I'd imagine many thought the WTC towers would stand and not crumble.

    I'd imagine by now that the workers at the Fukushima plant have gleaned enough info to figure out if they're receiving a lethal dose of radiation. I don't think we know, what they know though. So it's hard to tell if they are knowingly sacrificing themselves at this point.
     
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    I think most of the stories I've heard about 9/11 first responders indicate they had a feeling they weren't coming out.
     
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    Can you post some sort of studies or info on how long term low-dose radiation, like the type being emitted by the Fukushima plant would produce healthful results? There are many different types of radiation...

    Radiation used in medicine is highly targeted. It is used to kill tissue, cancerous tissue. It's not like it reinvigorates the body to fight off the cancer itself. The same goes for chemotherapy. You are trying to target the poisons at the tumor to kill the tumor, but usually this has harmful effects on the patient as well. You are making yourself sick, but hopefully the cancer sicker.

    There is a difference between cosmic background radiation type, levels & intensity versus something that emits high level alpha, beta, gamma particles like the Fukushima plant.

    If you do live in a town with a radon issue & you have high radon levels in your home, you are indeed at higher risk of lung cancer. Those places with radon emissions are more likely to have issues with radon build up in your home.

    Again, different type, levels & intensity. Also planes are pretty well shielded and insulated to block out things that might interfere with the instruments/computers.

    The radiation that is floating over here is very minor and I am not concerned about it. I am doubtful even if a major catastrophe happens with the Fukushima plant that it will have a major impact here, though I am monitoring it closely. Needless to say, I would not categorize us getting a light dusting of radiation from Fukushima as a "good thing" or healthy.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUpAOE3UBDo&feature=player_detailpage#t=102s

    Many did make it out & many thought they were going to make it out. There was confusion & miscommunication throughout the whole ordeal. Many workers reported they were told to stay in the towers over the intercom system. So there were many people who thought they were going to stand.
     
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    I ask again, how many of these first responders have died from radiation poisoning? MARIS61 posts about doses killing people within 3 days. What's it been, a week now?

    85 firefighters died in 2010 while on duty. Soldiers enlist and go to war knowing they could die

    There's a reason people think of these guys as heroes, as well as the Fukushima 50. Those 50 guys aren't duped into going on site - they know better than MARIS61 does what the risks are.
     
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    [video=youtube;kesP0IZggww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesP0IZggww[/video]

    ...storm's a brewing!
     
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    When did typical cloud forming water vapor become deadly? The idea that the Fukushima radiation release is powering storm systems or that this storm system has harmful levels of radiation in it sounds a bit absurd.

    I like how he says "it's got a very very tight eye", when it actually has an "eye" about the size of Texas. A hurricane has an eye about the size of a metropolitan city(e.g. Portland Metro, i.e 20 - 40 miles across).

    Also that storm doesn't even "exist" anymore, it's broken apart into two pieces.

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    From the AP:
    I don't necessarily agree that "little bits of radiation dose could be helpful", but (as I've stated all along) the fears about this are not founded in science but in ignorance and hysteria. Maybe I should've called in to CNN or MSNBC or Fox or a social worker's blog and offered my services. I could make graphs and charts and everything!
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoning

    Alexander Litvinenko received direct internal poisoning and he suffered for 3 weeks before dying.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#Health_of_plant_workers_and_local_people
    Death by radiation sickness is usually a slow and painful process, MARIS61 has that part correct at least. I bet that the Fukushima workers are more aware of the dangers, but just because no one has died from radiation poisoning yet doesn't mean there won't be consequences to their health later.
     
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    There's still plenty of time, you should do it. Be sure and mention S2 on-air when you hit the big time.

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    It's called hormesis, you can look it up if you are interested. It is controversial when dealing with radiation, but not out in left field.
     
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    And you realize the amount of radiation at Chernobyl was like 3000x more than at Fukushima?
     
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    You don't need a Chernobyl to die. I used it mainly to illustrate that radiation rarely kills quickly. Some reports stated areas of Fukushima were radiating 400milliSV/hr which could be lethal after only a few hours exposure.

    radiationlevels.jpg

    If reactors 1,2 & 3 meltdown along with 1,2,3 & 4's spent fuel rods becoming exposed and burning up, then we could very well see something worse than Chernobyl. Each day that passes where that doesn't happen makes it less likely.
     
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