I'm not saying Mirotic is good. I'm saying that Chicago having one bad player doesn't mean they'll want another bad player just because he shoots a little better. "Shooting" by itself is not very valuable, especially when it's not elite shooting. If a player can't play passable defense or provide other significant skills (great rebounding/passing), then that player isn't really worth playing.
Which is about the same as Ryan Anderson shot his last two years on New Orleans. He's shooting about 40% this year in the Houston system, so maybe playing for a contending team does something to up a player's confidence?
you realize you don't need to convince me of Meyers shortcomings I'm hoping. the bulls are the same team that fired Thibbs, got rid of Noah and Rose..brought in an old D Wade and benched him a Butler...they took on Rondo for god's sake.....them taking Meyers isn't a stretch...it'd probably work out I think but my whole pt was what teams would see value in him...back to my original post...I mentioned 3....then you replied multiple times about why nobody wants him...? Leads to a sort of "duh" debate about why I want to get rid of the kid....Luke Babbitt is starting in Miami...stranger things can happen
Yes, and I was disagreeing with that point. I don't believe that other teams would really see that as "value." I'm not trying to convince you that Leonard isn't good. I'm saying that I don't think he actually makes sense for Chicago, or other teams, in his current state. Sure, you can say, "Well, team X is dumb so it's okay to propose a trade where they do something dumb" (this was also a line of reasoning used when people came up with unrealistic Serge Ibaka deals--"Orlando's dumb! You never know what they'll do!") but I wouldn't rely too much on that.
There's also a small chance that you're being a bit too negative about Leonard. Not that I can't relate to that, of course. Miles Plumlee, who's making more than Leonard but producing virtually nothing in his career, just got traded for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert (which should make Blazers fans shudder as to NO's acumen when it comes to big men). Sure, that trade was primarily about Milwaukee dumping Plumlee for two ending contracts, but it shows that for a variety of reasons teams make moves that we fans don't expect. Personally, I think Meyers still has a chance to be a decent NBA player in the right system. For whatever reason, Stotts hasn't been able to make him productive, but that's not to say another coach couldn't.
I think CHI would be absolutely thrilled to trade Mirotic for Leonard except for one problem. Leonard's contract may give them pause. If they were both payed the same though they would be all over that swap. They might still do it if we took another contract that they don't care for. They don't have any horrible ones except Rondo though.
Always a possibility. I have no particular prejudice towards Leonard, though. He's just never struck me as a particularly promising player from the eye test and the stats suggest that he's a huge negative. I tend to trust the stats more because I'm not a scout, but I certainly agree that it's not impossible that he could blossom in a different situation or with a different coach. I'm just not bullish on his basketball future, based on what he's produced so far, and that's what informs my thoughts on how much he's likely to be valued around the league.
The cap goes up and this isn't a better FA class. The contracts are going to be even more nuts suddenly Crabbe at 3/55, Turner at 3/51, Meyers at 3/30, Harkless at 3/30 don't look bad when giant contracts get given out and suddenly guys like Mirotic,Reddick,Porter,Illosvna,Evans,PJ Tucker could all be making 10+ a year on 4 year deals. The one thing we can always count on is that when NBA teams have money they spend it and its usually on overpaying people.
Isn't this a better free agent class though? Paul, Griffin, Lowry, Curry, Hayward, Millsap are all on the market, and all will get max deals. Redick, Wade and Iguodala will get good deals too. Who was there last year aside from Whiteside, Wade and Durant (maybe I'm missing someone)?
Okay, them two too. Also Gasol but he's old. I'd argue that this year there's more to pick from (unless we believe Griffin and Paul will both stay).
Lebron/Durant/Wade/Drummond/Horford/Conley/Derozen/Beal/Batum/Howard/Parsons-who was still considered a quality starter before tons more injuries
Curry's a lock to stay (going to your earlier list). The Clippers will likely do everything they can to keep Paul and Griffin, but if one leaves, the other may too.
