Simmons Bonanza

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  1. TBpup

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    Lots of interest, just not at the Morey-onic levels that their GM would like. I don't blame home for trying to get all he can, but a degree of reality has to set in at some point.

    That said, some team will likely offer more than we think is reasonable, although it still won't reach Morey's ridiculous initial levels.
     
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    I don't think Morey expected to get a return like the initial proposals he floated. I think he was just setting a super high early bar for two reasons: 1. it's just standard negotiating to start higher than what you'd accept in the end so you can appear to come down in the negotiations and 2. he wanted to establish that he won't be conducting any fire sale for Simmons, taking that expectation/hope off the table right from the start.

    I'll wait and see how this Simmons situation concludes before I decide how smart Morey has been. I do think he made the right decision to reject early, l0w-ball offers and I think most of the hate directed at him is from fans of other teams enraged that he won't gift their favorite team Simmons for whatever odds and ends they're happy to be rid of.
     
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    Your basic problem is that you are entirely too non-biased and level-headed in your thought processes. You really should consider being a moderator, maybe even globally.
     
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    I'm actually just an AI with no human emotions.

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    have we actually heard about enough offers to conclude there were just low-ball offers? All I remember is what Morey was asking, not much about what he was offered
     
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    We've only heard rumors, like CJ and picks for Simmons or the Kings trying to assemble a package for Simmons that didn't include Fox, Haliburton or Mitchell. Rumors are probably all we can realistically have access to, but they painted a picture of teams trying to get Simmons while trying to dump spare parts on the Sixers.
     
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    I saw where the Cavs have entered discussions for Simmons.
    Morey was smart to set the bar high and wait before the deadline as like with real estate around here there will be a multiple bids.
     
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    On RealGM, a fan suggested AD/RW for Simmons/Tobias. What do you think? Would both teams take that deal? Would be interesting to see the Lakers give up on AD. Sixers would field RW/Seth/?/AD/Embiid. That's a mess of a team but AD + Embiid is interesting and AD doesn't have to worry about playing center anymore. Meanwhile the Lakers are LeBron/Bradley/Tobias/Simmons/Dwight. I don't know about that.
     
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    Why, on this or any other habitable earth, would the 76ers do that?
     
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    Because in theory, AD is the best player in the deal. At least, he was 14 months ago when he won a championship with the Lakers.
     
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    Both situations are messes personnel-wise, but the 76ers would jump on that. They're not extricating themselves from this with a player better than Anthony Davis, who's better than Simmons. They could try playing him alongside Embiid (I mean, Davis is shooting jumpers alongside LeBron, why not alongside Embiid) but they could also flip him for better stuff than they're being offered for Simmons.

    Meanwhile, the Lakers would sink into the morass. They need defense, but Simmons isn't a Draymond Green--he's an ace individual defender, but he isn't someone who keys a great team defense himself. He's more of a Kawhi Leonard on defense--an eraser rather than a team defense hub. And they'd be removing arguably their best defender in Davis to get him. Meanwhile, they'd be gutted of scoring--Simmons has offensive benefits obviously, but individual scoring is not where he excels. Hope James is okay scoring 50 points per game to get his team to 90.
     
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    Because being the best player in the deal means jack shit when they already have Embiiiiiiid, and AD hasn't shown he works well with another ball dominant big man?
     
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    Didn’t he and Cousins click before Cousins got hurt?
     
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    Because he’s a terrible jump shooter this year?
     
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    I meant in terms of his willingness. As I said, it's a mess on both sides. But at least the 76ers emerge with a more tradeable asset in Davis. The Lakers just emerge with a team continuing to sink.
     
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    They really didn't have a ton of games together.
     
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    I heard that Atlanta will be a player for Ben. Teams are increasing the anti for the big guy. They can offer Collins and some.

    Unless we are willing to include, picks, Naz, RoCo & CJ we wont have shot.
     
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    59 games is a lot and they were awesome
     
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    I want Simmons and think we should be able to get him by trading CJ, RoCo and picks if it were a three way with the Bulls. That being said if the Lakers could get Simmons, Maxey and Philly's first rounder this year for LeBron then the Lakers get a future with AD, Simmons and Maxey while LeBron wins a few more titles with that Philly roster, starting this season. I know it's an evil idea but who loses?
     
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    We do if, according to you, Philly’s winning titles.
     

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