Zombie Simons, 35 games In

[wizenheimer]

In 22 minutes a game he's averaging 9 points and 1 assist while shooting 41.4% on FG's, 47.2% on two's, and 33.3% on three's

his ranks on Portland (among rotation players):

FG% - 8th
2ptFG% - 8th
3ptFG% - 10th
eFG% - 9th
Off rating - 8th
Def ratiing - 12th
PER - 7th
TS% - 10th
FT rate - 10th (learning from CJ apparently)
assist rate - 5th
turnover rate - 3rd
winshares/48 - 10th
off box plus/minus - 7th
def box plus/minus - 13th
box plus/minus - 13th
value over replacement - 14th

here's the part where everybody says he's young and inexperienced. It's true for sure, but at the same time...hmmm.

after all of the massive off-season hype is Simons where you thought he'd be at this point? Are you disappointed a little in his production and efficiency? Before everybody says they expected this, I'll mention I remember some threads from a few months ago like "If Simons is Better than Lillard" & "Simons is Legit". I remember all the homer buzz based on game 82 last season, and I remember Olshey saying Simons was the most talented player he has drafted, and I remember all the chatter about Portland having a secret weapon

I've certainly seen flashes from Simons. But I also remember seeing flashes from Martell Webster and a lot of people projecting stardom for him. I sure hope Simons ends up better than Webster

 

[KSF-ERIC]

In 22 minutes a game he's averaging 9 points and 1 assist while shooting 41.4% on FG's, 47.2% on two's, and 33.3% on three's

his ranks on Portland (among rotation players):

FG% - 8th
2ptFG% - 8th
3ptFG% - 10th
eFG% - 9th
Off rating - 8th
Def ratiing - 12th
PER - 7th
TS% - 10th
FT rate - 10th (learning from CJ apparently)
assist rate - 5th
turnover rate - 3rd
winshares/48 - 10th
off box plus/minus - 7th
def box plus/minus - 13th
box plus/minus - 13th
value over replacement - 14th

here's the part where everybody says he's young and inexperienced. It's true for sure, but at the same time...hmmm.

after all of the massive off-season hype is Simons where you thought he'd be at this point? Are you disappointed a little in his production and efficiency? Before everybody says they expected this, I'll mention I remember some threads from a few months ago like "If Simons is Better than Lillard" & "Simons is Legit". I remember all the homer buzz based on game 82 last season, and I remember Olshey saying Simons was the most talented player he has drafted, and I remember all the chatter about Portland having a secret weapon

I've certainly seen flashes from Simons. But I also remember seeing flashes from Martell Webster and a lot of people projecting stardom for him. I sure hope Simons ends up better than Webster

I haven't looked up the numbers but what did CJ look like in his 2nd year? Our rookies, except Dame, usually pop in year 3.

 

[Hey]

He’s made a lot of iso plays that look great but he hasn’t been able to finish them consistently. I think with time and real game experience, those will start going in more frequently and he’ll raise his efficiency.

 

[SIeepwalker]

A bit underwhelming right now, but some obvious upside and potential. Sometimes he busts out a play that make you go WOW ! I can only hope that he breaks out big time.

Watching him, along with Trent and Nas (FUCKING PLAY HIM STOTTS YOU DONKEY) play is my personal biggest draw to Blazers games during this shit season

 

[illmatic99]

He's in his rookie year. Looking at stats for him and claiming anything is idiotic. Look at how he plays and what can or can't do instead.

 

[julius]

hey, can you make a thread about Nasir tomorrow?

 

[kjironman1]

He's gone after next year anyway from the way it looks to me. He isn't worth paying to keep and he won't want to stay on a team and be a backup.

 

[julius]

He's gone after next year anyway from the way it looks to me. He isn't worth paying to keep and he won't want to stay on a team and be a backup.

Did I miss someones post, or are you talking about Simons?

His contract is for another 2 years with the second being a team option at 4 million. Unless he's traded, he's not leaving the team after next season, especially considering the costs of backups now-a-days.

He is completely worth paying to keep.

 

[Propagandist]

He's in his rookie year. Looking at stats for him and claiming anything is idiotic. Look at how he plays and what can or can't do instead.

He’s not a rookie, and idiotic is crazy harsh, especially with Olshey’s confidence in his abilities.

 

[kjironman1]

Did I miss someones post, or are you talking about Simons?

His contract is for another 2 years with the second being a team option at 4 million. Unless he's traded, he's not leaving the team after next season, especially considering the costs of backups now-a-days.

He is completely worth paying to keep.

Key word. "After" next year. I disagree that they will keep him for another contract.

 

[e_blazer]

He's gone after next year anyway from the way it looks to me. He isn't worth paying to keep and he won't want to stay on a team and be a backup.

I think that there’s a better chance CJ is traded and Ant becomes Dame’s running mate in 2 years than the other way around.

 

[kjironman1]

I think that there’s a better chance CJ is traded and Ant becomes Dame’s running mate in 2 years than the other way around.

I'm good with that too. Pretty obvious Dame/CJ ain't gonna work out.

 

[julius]

Key word. "After" next year. I disagree that they will keep him for another contract.

After next year they still have a team option for the 21-22 season. If they didn't want to give him a contract, he'd traded because there are teams out there who would gladly take him off their hands.

 

[Tince]

I always feel bad when someone gets over-hyped or over-paid by other people then gets criticised for not meeting the expectations. I feel like Ant is performing at or above expectations of a 20 year old who was picked 24th.

I let Olshey get me excited for Ant this off-season, shame on me!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

He's not doing as well as I expected, but he has some qualities that I think means he will get better. He has that verve and confidence that allows him to attack. He has really amazing hops. He went right above Adabayo on one shot. He has that shot that is something like a hook shot; I think it only works because he is so high. And I think he works hard on D and is getting incrementally better.

 

[Scalma]

The problem I see with Simons, actually it’s not really a problem, but the thing I see is that he’ll never be starting in Portland unless Olshey trades McCollum, and we all know deep down that ain’t happening. So his ceiling in Portland is limited. On the flip side he is one of the few legit assets we’ve got to help land something we actually have a bigger need for.

Personally I would trade CJ, but if Olshey is married to him, then you may as well use Simons to land a proper wing or power forward.

 

[julius]

You guys act like Anfernee is in his mid 20's and so is CJ.

He's 8 years younger than CJ is *currently*. And CJ didn't make a name for himself in this league until his 3rd year in the league, which came after 4 COMPLETE years in college.

CJ was 25 years when he broke through. It's not like this is a case of two guys drafted a year or two apart.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Key word. "After" next year. I disagree that they will keep him for another contract.

Dude we have his rights for the next 6-7 years lol

Regardless he’s not that good he can leave if he wants

 

[Sprayzen1908]

He needs to find the balance.

He looks awesome on 1 or 2 plays a game then struggles.

He doesn’t have much support from his fellow rotational players however and is least of our problems.

 

[swish3]

Simons is an overconfident guard who shoots swish3s too often and too early in the shot clock. He needs to learn to pass, to learn to assist, to learn more accurate passes, and to play defense. He is responsible for high % scoring by the opposition on many plays in many games.

 

[stampedehero]

A bit underwhelming right now, but some obvious upside and potential. Sometimes he busts out a play that make you go WOW ! I can only hope that he breaks out big time.

Watching him, along with Trent and Nas (FUCKING PLAY HIM STOTTS YOU DONKEY) play is my personal biggest draw to Blazers games during this shit season

Agree! Give the fans what they want Stotts.

 

[stampedehero]

(Pre tank.) Play him more but teach him the lost art of defense so he can offer that skill to his paycheck.

 

[kjironman1]

After next year they still have a team option for the 21-22 season. If they didn't want to give him a contract, he'd traded because there are teams out there who would gladly take him off their hands.

Great!

 

[kjironman1]

Dude we have his rights for the next 6-7 years lol

This is an odd statement? I'll explain it to you. The Blazers picked up his team option for 20-21 on Sept 24th of 2018. Just so we are clear here 20-21 is NEXT year.
The Blazers have the option to pick up an additional year 2021-22 (That is the year after) not the next 6 or 7 years.
Now because they drafted him they have full rights on the player. Just like every team in the NBA has on every player that gets drafted. Now if what you are talking about is his "RIGHTS" as in Bird Rights. Then if they keep him they will never lose those rights. Bird Rights allow a team to go over the cap to sign the player. Now if you think 1M is worth trying to keep while they are paying three other players 80% of their cap then i guess that is what you believe. Now if you think they need to trade CJ so 1M can play then that is good also.
But to say they have his "Rights" for the next 6-7 years seems like an odd statement at best. That is all the more work i am going to put in to explain it to you.
Here is a link to the CBA
https://nbpa.com/cba
Put some time in and study this and then you will know what can and cannot happen. Takes some time but you seem like you spend enough time on here to get into it. I don't use my time like that any longer. But at times knowing where to look will help you answer some questions you might come up with.
Now as far as Blazers team payroll goes here is another link.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html

 

[kjironman1]

By the way it's getting close to a new CBA time. Wonder if there will be a strike year? I guess either side can opt out after 22-23 season?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is an odd statement? I'll explain it to you. The Blazers picked up his team option for 20-21 on Sept 24th of 2018. Just so we are clear here 20-21 is NEXT year.
The Blazers have the option to pick up an additional year 2021-22 (That is the year after) not the next 6 or 7 years.
Now because they drafted him they have full rights on the player. Just like every team in the NBA has on every player that gets drafted. Now if what you are talking about is his "RIGHTS" as in Bird Rights. Then if they keep him they will never lose those rights. Bird Rights allow a team to go over the cap to sign the player. Now if you think 1M is worth trying to keep while they are paying three other players 80% of their cap then i guess that is what you believe. Now if you think they need to trade CJ so 1M can play then that is good also.
But to say they have his "Rights" for the next 6-7 years seems like an odd statement at best. That is all the more work i am going to put in to explain it to you.
Here is a link to the CBA
https://nbpa.com/cba
Put some time in and study this and then you will know what can and cannot happen. Takes some time but you seem like you spend enough time on here to get into it. I don't use my time like that any longer. But at times knowing where to look will help you answer some questions you might come up with.
Now as far as Blazers team payroll goes here is another link.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html

When he talks about the Blazers having his "rights" for 6-7 years, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Simons' eventual restricted free agent status, which basically keeps the Blazers in control of his next contract unless he decides to take the 1-year QO rather than actually sign an offer sheet.

Yes, it's not a completely accurate assessment, but it's not too hard to figure out what he meant.

 

[kjironman1]

When he talks about the Blazers having his "rights" for 6-7 years, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Simons' eventual restricted free agent status, which basically keeps the Blazers in control of his next contract unless he decides to take the 1-year QO rather than actually sign an offer sheet.

Yes, it's not a completely accurate assessment, but it's not too hard to figure out what he meant.

The Blazers could be "in control" as long as both parties agree period. That could be his entire career.
The entire point is being diminished here. It's why i don't get into these conversations.
My opinion is they will not keep him unless they get rid of CJ. If they keep CJ he will be moved.
Lets be clear here.... This is my opinion. I just don't think they will keep a back up SG like that? I very well could be wrong here.

 

[AldoTrapani]

When he talks about the Blazers having his "rights" for 6-7 years, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Simons' eventual restricted free agent status, which basically keeps the Blazers in control of his next contract unless he decides to take the 1-year QO rather than actually sign an offer sheet.

Yes, it's not a completely accurate assessment, but it's not too hard to figure out what he meant.

that’s exactly what I mean. And I’m sure @kjironman1 knew what I meant he’s a smart guy

 

[julius]

The Blazers don't have to worry about re-signing Simons until *after* the 23 season. And I'm all but certain they're going to keep him in that time barring a no brainer trade.

 

[hoopsjock]

The Blazers don't have to worry about re-signing Simons until *after* the 23 season. And I'm all but certain they're going to keep him in that time barring a no brainer trade.

Nope 2022