<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, it's very blurry :mrgreen: </div> It's an old pic! Forget the 6 championships for a min, the Bulls greatest moment was when the announcer mentions that every player on the Bulls roster had scorred except for Jud Buechler, and suddenly the Juggy Gales Jud man tips in a bound with a min left in the game. Now that's coaching!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lostmyluggage:</div><div class="quote_post">It's an old pic! Forget the 6 championships for a min, the Bulls greatest moment was when the announcer mentions that every player on the Bulls roster had scorred except for Jud Buechler, and suddenly the Juggy Gales Jud man tips in a bound with a min left in the game. Now that's coaching!</div> LOL
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BeLikeMike:</div><div class="quote_post">Chamberlain is the best scorer and the best rebounder ever. Jordan is second in scoring. So 1. Wilt Chamberlain 2. Michael Jordan 3. Oscar Robertson</div> What are you talking about? MJ scored 32,292 in 1,072 while Wilt scored 31,419 in 1,045. Both have 30.1 career scoring average but let's not forget that MJ would have a better average if he didn't come back. Besides, stats aren't everything. Stilt played against basically small guys. If there were big guys, only a few would be there to give him a great challenge. MJ played against the quickest PGs, the biggest Cs, the nastiest PFs and the sharpest shooters.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">MJ played against the quickest PGs, the biggest Cs, the nastiest PFs and the sharpest shooters.</div> And he kicked their @sses up and down the court while doing it might I add.
^ Yup I forgot to add that. Hehehe. He was simply great. He revolutionized the game in many ways and if the game revolutionizes before him, he'll take up the challenge and will still do great. Remember the time when there were only a few dominant big men or shotblockers? He simply dunked on everyone. When the mobile big men came in, he simply developed that fade-away J.
Well, it seems like I came to late for the Pippen vs Drexler debate but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway. Drexler is undoubtably great, but if a draft was held today I would take Scottie in a heart beat. There have been many great scorers drafted thru the years but its rare to find a player that can change the game on both ends of the court(especially a perimeter player). Scottie pippen was the focal point of a defense(early 90's bulls) which was considered to be the best in the NBA. And it only got better during the second championship era of the bulls. Scottie Pippen Defense on Mark Jackson/Travis Best/ Jalen Rose at in game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals at the point guard slot won the bulls their last championship because the Pacers had all the momenttum. But Sottie lock down the point guard position which stalled the Pacers offense alot that game. And Reggie needed Best & Jackson two create shot opportunities for him thru their passes. So its like Scottie limited what Reggie could do as well. And the thing alot of people forget to remember about Scottie was his full one year as the #1 option on the bulls. The Bulls were one bad call away from going back to the Eastern Conference championships(which they probably would have won & ended up playing for the chip again). Which was a big deal because they lost to a team, that many felt was almost as good as the bulls even when Jordan was their( the Early 90's Knicks). And when Scottie Pippen was the #1 option it could be debated that the Bulls role players played at their highest level because of Scottie ability to make players around him better. BJ Armstrong, & Horace Grant were both all-stars when Pip was the #1 option. And as for Pippen jump shooting, well no it wasnt the greatest. but it always counted when the bulls needed it to(he was similar to what Jason kidd is when it comes to that). Pippen has made probably as many big shots as any other clutch player in NBA history. But Scottie Pippen will be remember as one of those NBA players who could win a game without scoring alot of points. And that is a rare type of player. I can only think of 1 maybe 2 players(in the current NBA) who can effect the out come of game without scoring monster points. Scottie Pippen's impact plays on both ends of the court are the definition of clutch. Scottie Pippen's defensive verslity/ability. And his ablity to elevate his teams overall play on both ends of the court is simply unmatched by drexler. Alot of players can carry their team on offense when needed. but how many can carry their team on defense?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm sorry, but that is one of the stupidest posts i've seen here. It's a shame that people think being selfish and going for stats is a good thing. For someone to be behind the greatest player of all time all his prime, is one of the greatest things you can say about the person Scottie Pippen. Unselfish.</div> before you resort to call someone else's post stupid, maybe you care to read the whole thread and see where that argument came from? are you saying that clyde was selfish, padded his stats or didn't care for a championship? neither you nor any or the others have supported your opinions with anything else than speculative comments such as pippen's numbers would have been greater without MJ. rings are WAY overrated when it comes to lists such as the one we are discussing here. many great players retired with no rings or rings they got at the end of their careers. malone and payton may get a ring this year and IMO it will no impact the fact that they are two of the best players ever, ring or no ring. stockton never got one. iverson may not get one. if rings are that important to you, like i said, you must love steve kerr.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">are you saying that clyde was selfish, padded his stats or didn't care for a championship?</div> Find a statement where I said that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">rings are WAY overrated when it comes to lists such as the one we are discussing here.</div> No they aren't. Championships are one of the most important things. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">malone and payton may get a ring this year and IMO it will no impact the fact that they are two of the best players ever, ring or no ring. stockton never got one. iverson may not get one.</div> No, I don't think it would make them any worse. But I do think if they won some, they would be considered better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you must love steve kerr.</div> Do you have some wierd fetish for Stever Kerr or something? That's all I really hear from you is Steve Kerr.
Kerr is the kinda guy that can come out of bench retirement and hit 4 three's in a row. Which even futher heightens my arguement. How is Kerr able to do this? By listening and learning from MJ, Phil Jackson, but most importantly from Pippen during the Bulls golden years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? MJ scored 32,292 in 1,072 while Wilt scored 31,419 in 1,045. Both have 30.1 career scoring average but let's not forget that MJ would have a better average if he didn't come back. Besides, stats aren't everything.</div> Well, MJ would have had a better PPG if he didn't come back... but only by 0.5 (30.6 to 30.1). MJ also had 1000 more points off free throws than Wilt. And Wilt does have the edge in rebounding. So, stast-wise, the case for Wilt is not as shaky as you would believe.
Lostmyluggage so needs a new avatar, someone else on the board is using it too. Do yourself a favor, request one in my avatar thread if you will keep being active for us mate (link in my sig) Lets move on people, the Drexler/Pippen debate is over (and please no MJ/Wilt's, lets find another Pipp/Clyde debate)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you have some wierd fetish for Stever Kerr or something? That's all I really hear from you is Steve Kerr.</div> so obviously you haven't read the whole thread... because i have given way more stats and more arguments than a sarcastic comment about kerr (who i love, by the way, no need to jump to his defense). I'm no more obsessed with Kerr than you are with rings.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">What can I say... gold is my thing. I guess men is yours?</div> what, got a problem if it its? you think a homophobic joke makes me back down? how old are you, 13?
^^Prophecy that was a tad harsh. But really, rings are always a silly argument when determining who's better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Lets move on people, the Drexler/Pippen debate is over (and please no MJ/Wilt's, lets find another Pipp/Clyde debate)</div> it's a small quibble, but why isaiah over stockton? only one place up, but i think it should be reversed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">what, got a problem if it its? you think a homophobic joke makes me back down? how old are you, 13?</div> I didn't mean it as a homophobic joke. Only someone who is a 13 year old would have taken it like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">it's a small quibble, but why isaiah over stockton? only one place up, but i think it should be reversed.</div> It's because like many people on this board, the makers of these lists overestimate the importance of rings. Stock was all-time leader in assists. While I still think that both Oscar and Magic are the two 2 pgs of all time, Stockton was the purest pg ever.
