So, About Next Season?

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  1. e_blazer

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    I agree that it’s very unlikely the league does a bubble plan next year, but I think there’s no way that they cancel the season short of a total meltdown of the Covid situation. The operating cost losses are likely to be huge next year, but the one thing that the league absolutely cannot afford to lose is fan interest. Cancelling an entire season would cost viewership for multiple seasons.
     
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    I can't speak for blazerkor, but my guess is that while the words of the player's union head carry weight, the much heavier weight resides in the hands of the owners as long as they hold the option to declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. I'm not sure when the deadline is for that but I think it's still a few weeks away

    now, I'm not as certain as blazerkor is that the owners will use the nuclear option of declaring force majeure. For one thing, I think there is probably accounting that still needs to be completed so there is a better handle on what to expect financially for next season. But the amount of uncertainly is not going to diminish any time soon. But I am fairly certain the owners will be using force majeure as a lever to move the union toward several concessions and changes in the CBA for next season. And the scope of those changes will very likely control the form the season takes
     
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    i can certainly understand the leverage side from both perspectives. IMHO, blowing up the golden goose negatively affects all stake holders, but the valuations of the individual franchises would take the greatest hits if play stops for an extended period lasting months or years. many entertainment industry stocks have taken huge hits during the current pandemic. the newest arenas, some privately held by the franchises increases those teams needs in coming to the table and finding common ground to a mutually acceptable agreement concerning the financial sides of a labor agreement. this said, again only my opinion, but there is/or appears to be, understanding on the part of the players association that they will have to bear a significant part of the shortfalls that will be incurred by the league in whatever form the season takes. i didn't copy and paste the entirety of the interview, but she speaks to the need for this on the part of both parties and that she has already begun the messaging to both the league and her employers. she indicated that silvers had done the same. some of the numbers included were a $2 billion shortfall in revenues likely this season and next. this only leaves the leagues owners around $1 billion left from revenues after subtracting the $5 billion in salaries to cover all of their other expenses. the 51/49% split will have to be adjusted to compensate. the players also surrendered 25% of their salaries to engage in the bubble in order for the league to finish the current season so the precedent is established and good will already shown in negotiations. compare that to the baseball contract discussions and i see a lot more compromise and good faith on the part of both sides.
    with the draft date of november 18 already set, it would indicate that there will be about 6 weeks window to come to a short term solution as the financials will need to be settled before then.
     
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    In order to alter the fundamental properties of the CBA (especially the revenue split but in reality anything) the current CBA has to be voided so that's why I think the owners will do that. The CBA isn't a living document that can be amended it's a cast iron agreement, if it needs altering it has to be terminated first. I don't necessarily think either side will view that as a "nuclear option", I just think it's pretty much guaranteed to happen. Now if the owners try to push the new terms out for several years and get a favorable situation post pandemic implications, taking advantage of their strong position to tip the revenue split towards them or the players don't want to give up money already guaranteed to them and/or their slightly bigger piece of the revenue pie temporarily... that's where this might get tricky. If two decades ago during a time of financial gain in the league the owners locked the players out for 6 months and lost 32 games and then again in another time of growth just one decade ago they locked the players out for 8 months and lost 16 games (all of those games being lost because they just didn't care not because of some global catastrophe) I don't know if everybody coming together and agreeing on just how big each side's pay cut should be is realistic. I also don't know how urgent the most central factor in this equation is. Adam Silver said he doesn't want to start playing until fans can be safely in the stands, I think he realizes the league can't function in any form without 40% of their revenue and the additional interest in watching televised games that live attendance generates.
     
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    Force majeure has already been declared and as far as I understand it the owners option under force majeure to terminate the current CBA has been left on the table (the window to use it being extended three or four times) at least until this season wraps up and that's the NBAPA that has allowed that. All of that tells me that both sides know this CBA is another thing lost due to the pandemic. Like I said, not a nuclear option just recognition by both sides that the current CBA which can not be amended without termination is not going to be functional next season and may even be ineffective for a little while after that.
     
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    i completely understand that the cba is gone but was pointing out what the model was and how it is likely to change and the reasons for compromise.

    edit IMHO, ownerships willingness/need for compromise is also enhanced by the covid related negatively impacted nature concerning finances and of non league revenue streams. the unknowable nature of those revenues returning to normal when and if ever, were not present during the previous lock out.
     
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    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...ad-draft-free-agency-start-2020-21-nba-season

    Short summary and answer to the titular question: Nothing

    It's still worth a read because it defines just how far that nothing goes. All of the things we have no idea about that will effect the NBA and obviously our Blazers going forward and then there is some conjecture based on Brian Windhorst's insider info and experience.
     
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    I DO NOT like that i'm being charged for next seasons tickets when there is not a plan in place. I'm losing interest on the money they are taking from me. But if I cancel my payments, I lose my seats and the rights to them.

    I really don't think its fair what the Blazers are doing to us season ticket holders. I wonder how other teams are treating season ticket holders? They should provide an option for me to hold payments until a plan is in place and then if I want my seats pay up to be current.
     
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    You have a very good argument there. As I remember they never sold tickets until the season schedule was announced. At this point you don’t even know how many games will be played.
    How can they reasonably charge you for tickets yet?
     
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    My son has all his shots and is a risk due to being asthmatic and I'm not accepting ANY vaccine that was produced (in record time) by this administration. Fuck that.
     
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    Season tickets they start collecting money around the all star game, and try to get a big lump by the playoffs. I understand they're offering accommodations, but don't like that they have to be specifically requested. At this point, if games are cancelled, I'm not sure if I'm going to roll the money into 21-22, or just ask for a refund and get out of my seats.
     
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    Would you be willing to go after Harrell if we let Whiteside walk. He's an unrestricted free agent.
     
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    If he would take the MLE, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad move. He can play PF because he can play both the post and perimeter on D and he is good in pick and roll situations. He's really high energy and ultra athletic. If we did take him I'd likely start him over Zach but they'd likely play about equal minutes in a three man rotation with them and Nurk in the front court. The one problem is that Harrell doesn't stretch the defense because he doesn't shoot well at all... that's the one thing that would give me pause about dedicating our entire MLE to him and I think he'll actually draw more than 9+ mil per season.
     

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