Politics So, how's that "government is the enemy' thing going for ya?

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  1. Minstrel

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    No, I don't think you're wrong. On a host of (but not all) issues, the world in general moves more towards the left--like racial justice, LGBTQ+ rights, how we think about feminism, etc. To be sure, there are "local swings"--sometimes things temporarily swing back towards the right. But over the decades, a lot of things have been moving to the left and I think what "the rich" owe to society and what, therefore, society owes to every participant in that society is one of those issues.

    The US is center-right relative to the world, so the US has moved slower on those types of topics, but the US isn't immune to that leftward drift.
     
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    Im kind of wondering how it will affect the election in general. I think that logic says that as the stock market fails, it will be the nail in the coffin for Trump but there is still a lot of time for a lot of things to happen. Maybe we get over the virus by then and Trump calls himself a superhero and people believe it? Maybe the cash stimulus is so popular that Trump goes all in on the UBI before the elections? It could really affect voter turn out also, which traditionally helps republicans but the virus is worse for old people (who are usually more conservative) so they could be turn out less than other groups. Maybe more states adopt vote by mail which helps democrats? So many variables and the only thing for sure is that it will fundamentally change a lot about how our society operates.
     
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    On a percentage basis, I don't think "the rich" owe more to society than any other class. The masses as a whole will cover the needs. That said, I also believe our tax system ought to be overhauled to some degree as there are far too many write-offs and abuses in that regard.
     
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    But that's part of the problem I have with it...income or not, IMO, any help doled out should be based on whether or not someone is actually working or not. Example, someone making 150K with no children/family should not receive any "cash"....on the other hand, someone making 50K with a wife and 3 kids who's out of work?...off course they could use the money and should be on the top of the list.
     
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    Isn't that sort of what they're doing though at least from what I read. People with higher incomes won't receive anything. People with lower incomes will, people with large families on medium incomes will receive something, people out of jobs will too. I don't know how I feel about it, but it seems like they're planning to do what you're saying.
     
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    What I'm saying is that regardless of income, most of those who are still working probably have not been hit financially...only those who are now out of work and those who have the virus should get money. Any other stimulus money should go to hospitals and small businesses.
     
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    The problem with this line of thinking, is you are rewarding people who are getting in over their heads or living a more extravagant lifestyle than others do. Or don't have the suggested 6 months of living expenses saved up.

    To many people, this doesn't seem very fair. Therefore, an equal distribution is the only way you'll not get too much blowback from.

    People make their own decisions, whether they want to get a big house, start a family, drive a nice car, etc. These cost money and are expensive. They do get some reward from that though through satisfaction. Those that forgo those things make sacrifices, so they can keep their expenses low and their lives simple. Why should they miss out on free money while people are living past their means or don't have an emergency plan?

    Its like this whole College debt thing. A lot of people don't want to pay peoples student loans off because they already paid theirs off. I mean it really doesn't affect them, but it just doesn't seem fair, as they made the sacrifices to pay off their student loan debts.

    They feel they are getting cheated.
     
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    That's what I said or implied...not at all. And sorry, but the "college debt" reference is a very poor analogy
     
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    Better not tell me cat food is frivolous.
     
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    Ha !...no way. My cats would kill me in my sleep. One will only eat canned tuna in vegetable oil...and the other one only eats dog food...I shit you not.
     
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