So I guess the Steve Blake Showcase went off without a hitch last night...

No...not really...

Why b\c I said he had 2 turnovers instead of 1?

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I think Blake was playing purely because he had not been fucking up as badly as Rudy and Bayless lately. Its not a lot but it's better than what we had been getting lately out of the rest of the guards.

 

LOL

 

so because rudy was +6 against okc that means he played well too??? no, and i'm about as big a rudy apologist as you'll find on here. blake didn't play well against okc, he played great last night.

my gripe is, can we stop with "showcasing" a veteran player? he isn't be showcased, teams know exactly what and who steve blake is.

 

Actually that would be a false dilemma.

And yet Durant was only +4 for the game, despite OKC winning by 12 (Westbrook was better at +10). By your numbers they should've been +19. Hmmm - could it be that OKC doesn't necessarily depend completely on its best player, so that it might actually be an achievement for Portland to outscore OKC when he's out?

Which still makes him pretty damn good, considering Miller was -10.

It's about matchups. Blake is our best guard defender and doesn't make sloppy mistakes. This makes him particularly valuable against OKC which does better on offense when its guards get into the paint (Westbrook, for example, is a crappy shooter) and which pounces on the kind of turnovers that Bayless was giving them in bunches. It's also (as somebody else pointed out) that Blake was actually following the plan of getting the ball to Aldridge and also actually getting it to him when he tried. Miller put up gaudy stats, but clearly was getting torched on the other end or doing things that led to fast break OKC points. Something that none of your stats measure.

 

It doesn't take "amazing" luck to happen to be on the floor when the team, through no virtue of the player's own, happens to play well in a single game. That's precisely why +/- is considered useless over small sample sizes by credible basketball statisticians. Luck can very easily overwhelm everything else when it comes to +/- over small samples.

Even statisticians who are proponents of the stat say you need a few season's worth of data for the stat to tell you anything meaningful. To use it as a meaningful measure of a player's performance in a single game really isn't compelling at all.

 

No he wasn't. +/- isn't an individual stat. The TEAM was -10 when Miller was in the game. How much of that was Miller's fault? How much of it was due to his four teammates that couldn't hit an open shot or guard their man? How much of it was because he started and played most of his minutes against the opponent's best players?

Impossible to say, but you continue to try to misuse the +/- as an individual stat in a feeble attempt to "prove" that the guy who has ZERO points on 0-5 shooting had a better game than the guy who scored 22 points on 9-18 shooting and had more assists and more rebounds.

Yeah, right.

BNM

 

Welcome to my hell. +/- is by far the most misused stat on this forum. It is generally used to "prove" a shitty player has some magical influence on his team's play in spite of his own ineptitude and poor individual play.

In the overtime win against Dallas, Andre Miller scored 52 points on 22-31 shooting. But, Martell Webster, who scored 4 points on 1-3 shooting had a "better" +/-. Gee, which player had the better game and helped his team actually win the game? Where were the Martell Webster appreciation threads after his game changing 4-point performance?

I wish the ignore function could be expanded to filter any post containing the +/- character string. Because you KNOW it's going to be another thread praising someone's favorite shitty player and the magical, unquantifiable manner he inexplicably makes his team better.

BNM

 

Blake started because we were playing the Suns. It's like he's able to steal Steve Nash's mojo and harness it for himself against Phoenix.