So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

There was a similar case from Eastern Michigan (I think) that the school won as the judge referenced the student's behavior and view points with the ACA Code of Ethics.

 

Interesting. Do you have a link?

 

For fucks sake, can't some of you people chill out with the "Russia! China! Hitler! Stalin! Mao!" nonsense. America, calm the fuck down.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/28/court-university-expel-student-opposes-homosexuality/

It was at the bottom of the OFC article in the original post.

 

Dang, I can't get it to open.

 

Would you like a tissue?


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I don't understand a single part of your post, to be honest.

 

Hmmmmmm............... I did write it in english, I think.

I guess my point is that I read the lawsuit carefully and the evidence the plaintiff presents from the school looks very clear that this is a case of a violation for her civil rights as it pertains to religious freedom. Of course, a judge or jury will have to decide (unless the school settles out of court) but the forcing her to change her faith (as the school puts it) via a retraining program strikes me like the retraining prisons in Russia they sent people to. Prior and just after the fall of the Berlin wall I was very active in getting Russians to the USA who were under immense political and religious persecution (losing jobs, kicked out of schools, forced to prisons or retraining programs that were not very nice...) and some of the stories they tell are remarkably similar to what this lady is being subjected to. It's spooky.

 

Hey, I'm respectful of what you're wanting to get across, I just happen to have a different take on the matter. That said, as I've maintained throughout this entire thread, if it's deemed that Ms. Keeton could ultimately perform professionally (her employer would be making that call), then, no problem. If not, then appropriate actions would seem in order. I guess that's their fight, though.

On a different note, I enjoyed this read:

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1484/augusta-state-university-thought-police

 

The money quote from this excerpt is, imho:

"and how future clients might benefit from her experience."

A teaching institution's first goal is preparing students for work in the field they are learning - not a platform for sharing ideas - it is clear that the teachers there thought her positions could be a problem when dealing with future clients and tried to help her open her eyes to what matters to these future clients. The fact that she apparently fails to see it - makes it a good cause for failing her, imho.

Think, for example, of the army trying to train a fighter pilot in killing opponents - what if said pilot claims that because of his Christian beliefs he thinks that he should turn the other cheek and not shoot them. Should this trainee be a fighter pilot or not? After all, he is only expressing his Christian belief, no?

Should a Christian school pass a radical Muslim learning to be a preacher because his personal beliefs are that Gihad and extermination of all Christians is at order? Of course not, the same happens here. This lady does not seem fit for the job, she values her personal beliefs over the requirements for the job. She has the right to do it - and the teaching institution has the right not to be the ones that have their name sullied by granting her a degree if they are worried she will not be good for the profession and cause more harm than good.

 

Poor example.

First of all, we're talking about a state, tax-funded school. Should a Muslim be able to attend there, while also bringing his/her perspectives into view? Absolutely. However, if dude's talking about killing/exterminating people, I think they might have a bit different take on that.

 

Oh, but the fighter pilot one is a good one. Interesting...

At the end of the day - these guys are there to help the burden of people in trouble - telling them they should convert does not seem to be the accepted practice for people that deal with counselling all the time. This lady is apparently unable to accept what people with a lot of experience in the field tell her - so she is unfit to pass.

And - the fact that it's a state, tax-funded school is not important. Are you telling me you do not think that state, tax-funded institutions should do the best they can according to the task they are presented with? I am sorry, I'm a Jewish practitioner, I will not fight on the Sabbath because it's against my beliefs? said the general in the army (a tax-funded institution).

Being tax-funded does not make a teaching institution into a platform for spreading religious beliefs. The tax money goes to educate people in specific fields. If these people do not show the ability to work in the field - I would very much like my tax-funded institutions not to give them a free pass wasting my tax money. Maybe you are more lax with your tax money - but requiring accountability from tax-funded institutions is a good thing in my book. Giving a free-pass for people because of their stated religious beliefs is not.

 

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In order to gain certification, she has to learn to treat homosexuals according to school policy. Once graduated, she can choose only to treat certain individuals.

 

She could be a christian school counselor. No way she should be allowed to become a public school counselor.