So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

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  1. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    I'm not sure about the turkey baster...
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    SOME OF YOU HAVE LOST YOUR FU*KING MINDS.

    Just saying.









    I know these things because I lost mine years ago.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, we all agree that gays are physically capable of having heterosexual sex, just the same as catholic priests. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that.

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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    I mean did the turkey baster "choose" to have sex?
     
  5. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Now you're getting the gist of the OP. ASU maintains that gays/lesbians/whatever are "born" that way. Conversely, Keeton argues that it's a matter of their respective "choice".
     
  6. tlongII

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    I get it. You believe people are gay because they choose to be. You also believe that choice to be immoral and therefore said people should be subjected to persecution and prejudice. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that.
     
  7. ABM

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    I agree with your second sentence. However, (third sentence) I never said that "said people" should be subjected to persecution and prejudice. As I had mentioned in another thread, I have family and a number of friends - some, very close - who are gay/lesbian. I don't let me personal convictions inhibit nor jeopardize these relationships in any way, shape, or form. They're not even part of my conversations....nor should be the discussions of the sexual activities of my married friends and family.
     
  8. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Considering there are animals in nature that are homosexual, and the overwhelming majority of homosexuals feel they were "born" that way (no different then I feel I was born 'straight'), I think it's arrogant to think you know more about how a homosexual feels or whether or not they were "born" one way or another.

    Growing up, I knew a kid who was obviously gay in elementary school. He may not have had sexual feelings for boys when we were 9, but he was always coming up behind us and playing with our hair, or girls hair. I don't ever remember any of us making fun of him though, but I'm willing to bet he was made fun of for being "different". I should ask him someday.

    But anyways, this wasn't some 'choice' he made. It's not like he, at 9 years old, decided "ok, I'm going to be a little more princess than prince. I like looking at Ken more than Barbie".

    He was who he was, and he was wired the way he was wired. Why would someone choose to be a member of a minority that is vilified by good hearted "Christians" (and the majority of all religious groups)?

    If crandc or kingspeed ever read this rant-a-thon, I pose the following question to them (I picked them because they're the only two openly gay members of our group that I recall).

    If you could chose to be straight, where you wouldn't be considered sub-human by some members of the world, would you?

    Or, a little better question would be, do you feel as though your "preference" is something you can change? I'm fairly certain I already know the answer.
     
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    Fixed!
     
  10. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    But the sexual activities of complete strangers? fair game.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Just because I believe what the Bible has to say about this doesn't make me arrogant.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Only if on a message board. ;)
     
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    yes it does. Who are you to tell someone else who they should love, or how they should feel?

    How would you feel if I said I believe you're only straight because that's what society whats you to be, and you were brainwashed into thinking you were straight?
     
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    When did I ever say I should tell someone else who they should love, or how they should feel?

    As an aside, I did a quick search and found this. Pretty much sums up where I'm at with all of this...

    http://carm.org/homosexuality
     
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    If it didn't want to, it shouldn't have been dressed like that.

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    You never said it, but it seems to clear to me that with your literal beliefs there can't be another way. I don't mean to be harsh, but that's the way I interpret it.
     
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    You don't see how the whole "choice" thing comes off as you telling someone else how they should feel or who they should love?
     
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    Hey, we ALL have things we're opposed to. That certainly doesn't mean we have to push our own beliefs onto others. That's an entirely different discussion.
     
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    Read what I just related to tlong.
     
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    I agree, she doesn't have to push her own beliefs on others and could just take the stupid classes she needed to instead of whining about religious persecution.
     

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