So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by ABM, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,357
    Likes Received:
    25,394
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    It's not a different discussion at all. It's the topic of this thread. Pushing beliefs onto others is exactly why Keeton is getting bounced from school.

    barfo
     
  2. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    17,233
    Likes Received:
    11,907
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Systems Analyst
    Location:
    Beaverton, Oregon
    So how would you vote on a proposal to ban gay marriage?
     
  3. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Well, it appears as if it's one of the tenants Ms. Keeton is being challenged on.
     
  4. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,108
    Likes Received:
    33,864
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    Cept that she's passing judgment.
     
  5. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Gee, let me get back to you on that one. ;)
     
  6. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    No, she's simply stating her beliefs.

    That said, I think she'll end up leaving the school and pursuing her educational career elsewhere.
     
  7. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    17,233
    Likes Received:
    11,907
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Systems Analyst
    Location:
    Beaverton, Oregon
    Yep, I wouldn't want to answer that here if I were you either. :lol:
     
  8. MickZagger

    MickZagger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    37,276
    Likes Received:
    16,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    UPS
    Location:
    V-Town Baby
    Meh.

    She looks like she'd be similar to fuckin a bucket of sand.
     
  9. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,108
    Likes Received:
    33,864
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    Did you even read any of the articles you linked?? She's passing judgments on gays, lesbians and TG's.
     
  10. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    No, she's in school whereas she's been given questions that she is graded on. Whatever she said outside of school is a bit nebulous to me. Is she passing judgement there, or simply telling others what she's been asked in school. Big difference, IMO.
     
  11. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,108
    Likes Received:
    33,864
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    I'm too tired to continue this...well, it's not so much a debate as much as it is a long winded conversation that's going no where. :)

    I hope you had fun doing it ABM, I enjoyed it. I'd like to say I'm going to turn the other cheek, but I've been sick lately and I'm not sure I should.
     
  12. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,357
    Likes Received:
    25,394
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    What she said in or out of school isn't the issue. That's merely how the issue came to the schools attention. The issue is how she's going to counsel students, and she says that she's not willing to accept their sexuality when she disapproves of it. This is all about her pushing her beliefs onto others.

    barfo
     
  13. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Absolutely, among many other things she is intolerant of.

    People don't seek counseling because everything's fine and they fit right in with everyone else.

    From the other case linked to this one:

    In his 48-page opinion, Judge Steeh said the university had a rational basis for adopting the ACA Code of Ethics.

    “Furthermore, the university had a rational basis for requiring students to counsel clients without imposing their personal values,” he wrote in a portion of his ruling posted by The Detroit News. “In the case of Ms. Ward, the university determined that she would never change her behavior and would consistently refuse to counsel clients on matters with which she was personally opposed due to her religious beliefs – including homosexual relationships.”
     
  14. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    I guess I will then.

    All evidence indicates priests can only have sex with underage boys.
     
  15. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Somewhere where they'll "teach" her what she already knows, rather than actually educating her. It's clear she's not interested in expanding her knowledge, and in fact seems to fear it.
     
  16. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    You're confusing how Keeton used "choice" and how, say, Julius is.

    Julius (and others) are saying that homosexuals can procreate if they choose to simply because it is within the physical realm of possibility. By the same token, you could choose to have sex with a man. It's physically possible.

    That is different from sexual preference being a choice. You don't choose to have sex with a man because your sexual preference is heterosexuality (and, presumably, you never chose to be heterosexual, you are innately so). Similarly, homosexuals don't choose to have sex with the opposite sex (and thus procreate) because their unchosen sexuality is for the same sex. They innately have a sexual preference for the same sex, so they don't choose to copulate (that word is not used enough) with the opposite sex.

    We make many choices based on the traits we are born with. Sexuality (both heterosexuality and homosexuality) is one of those in-born traits, based on studies of other species of animals and twins studies among humans.
     
  17. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I had already addressed this in post #37. It's how I personally believe...and am sticking with that. :)
     
  18. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    I was simply attempting to answer the questions that were directed towards me. In no way was I standing up on some type of bully-pulpit attempting to push my views. Again, simply answering the questions in effort to explain how I think and believe.

    That said, in no way do I consider my self as being superior to anyone. It boils down to what I believe the Bible to say. On this particular subject, it's rather clear.

    Here's a link to a website I had shared in an earlier post which pretty much captures where I'm at with the homosexuality issue as a whole:

    http://carm.org/homosexuality
     
  19. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    All but one of those quotes is from the book of Leviticus which is only in the Hebrew bible.

    Are you Jewish? Do you follow all the many other ridiculous "laws" enumerated in that book? Do you eat pork? Do you drink alcohol? Do you sacrifice animals on the altar?

    Or do you just get queasy thinking about gays?

    This supports the post claiming you are a "buffet bible quoter". Not that there is any other kind.

    The bible(s) is a book of convenience. It can be used to support any arguement and it can be used to defeat any arguement.

    The only certainty about it is that it was written entirely by mortal men and reflects their flaws, shortcomings, and prejudices.
     
  20. Charcoal Filtered

    Charcoal Filtered Writing Team

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2009
    Messages:
    4,748
    Likes Received:
    2,420
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Took six pages, but there are finally some comparisons that I think are similiar. I will add another.

    What if someone is a faith healer and wants to graduate medical school?

    I know when seeing a degree in my doctor's office or accredation from the AMA that they adhere to the beliefs of that school/association.

    My advice would be for her to enroll in a program that matchs her beliefs.
     

Share This Page