So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

As for my personal beliefs, I am certainly entitled to them. As for the thread topic, I believe Ms. Keeton should be allowed her personal beliefs, as well. As for what the result there will be, I believe, unfortunately, she'll be relegated towards finding another educational institution which more closely aligns to her belief system (although, the reason she claims she registered @ ASU was due to academic/financial reason.)

We shall see.

 

OK, well, this is what I related in my very first post:

Now, when I posted that, I wasn't aware that she wants to become a school (as opposed to marriage) counselor. Not sure if that really matters, though.

Let's say she somehow receives her counseling degree. If she applied for a counseling position at (fill in the blank here) school, I wonder if they'd have the right to not hire (let alone, ask) her based upon her beliefs regarding homosexuality (which, to me, is a very personal matter)? I mean, wouldn't that essentially be discrimination?

 

It would be discrimination if they asked directly since one could "not practice what they preach". What the interviewer would ask would be a case scenario involving a homosexual couple. If the answer was "Homosexuality is a sin and this couple would be doomed", the employer would be justified in not giving her a job.

 

Of course.

I was referring to this happening during the hiring process. Naturally, she'd have to abide by the school policies once she was hired. Perhaps, I'm ignorant. Do school counselors even have the right to "counsel" in personal sexual matters? I would think not.

 

I would also have a problem if the degree had nothing to do with christianity and the person was failed because of it.

Also, should Christian institutions give degrees for preaching if the student is a satanist?

 

Read my OP. I related a link in that counselors/therapists indicate whether they have expertise in gay/lesbian issues, or not. I would think she wouldn't.

 

As a doctor, could I only specialize in hot blondes?

 

Perhaps.

I'll introduce you to Jill Savage if you're able to go to the M&G tomorrow night. You could start there.

 

Exactly.

So, then, should Ms. Keeton be expelled from ASU, or not? Effectively, that's the crux of this thread.

 

I don't believe the "guidelines" would/should necessarily require her to relate/instill her personal beliefs regarding homosexuality. Therefore, if she conducts herself professionally within the confines of said guidelines/policy, then what's the big dif?

Again, though, the onus would be on her to act professionally.

I'm thinking the university is making a broad leap from taking what she may believe personally (morally), then extrapolating that to how she might/would conduct herself in her counseling profession. Not to mention, there will be a boatload of other issues for her to contend with in a school setting.

Shoot, you, yourself said that all the extraneous matters don't belong in the school systems, anyway. Thank you. I concur and applaud you, as well, for that reasoning. I think where these issues have come into play is that the parents have quit parenting. If, as a society, we could somehow get back to those basics, there would be far less for the counselors to contend with. Just my 2-cents.

 

Where did being put to death enter into the equation??

 

Life is hard enough to deal with all the problems there are without somebody openly discriminating against somebody because they have different sexual practices than another person. What's next? Are folks going to start discriminating against those who practice S&M? Just let people live their lives in peace. As long as they aren't violating anybody else constitutional rights and aren't damaging somebody else's property, why should anybody care how they live their live?

 

I agree with you...and it's caused me to wonder why this young woman, Ms. Keeton, appears to be discriminated against...simply because she has some very personal views which happen to different than some of those at the institution she's attending.

Again, if she doesn't let those views restrict her from adequately performing her ultimate job, then this entire issue should be moot.

 

I let my "religion" determine my conduct as an employee. It doesn't mean that I discriminate, though. I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I'll still treat homosexuals with the same love/respect that I would anyone else.

As the Bible states, homosexuality is a sin. However, so are a bazillion other sins out there, as well.. My Bible tells me:

In other words, I've got plenty to be concerned with in my own life about without placing judgement on anyone else. I'm hopeful that Keeton sees this in the same light.

 

Where does the Bible state that "homosexuality is a sin"?

 

Here's a link I had provided earlier. Pretty much sums up where I'm at with all this...

http://carm.org/homosexuality