So, If You're A Christian, You're Then Unfit To Become A Professional Counselor?

God says it's wrong based upon scripture.

What's my response to that? Well, here's an example from that website I had alluded to:

 

Not everybody agrees with every aspect or doctrine of their religion.

 

Really?

You have more respect for Catholics that go "all in" compared to those that believe in the basic themes but don't necessarily that, for example, priests have to be men?

Interesting stance.

 

Oh, whoopteedoo. The bible also tells you that David and Johnathan were lovers - and there was no problem with it (heck, David became king beloved by god). Heck, David's downfall was because he coveted someone else's wife - which in theory tells you that lusting after someone else's wife is worse than homosexuality. Add the fact that apparently polygamy was not a problem - and it's pretty clear that "the bible scriptures tell me" are nothing but a crutch.

The bible is a collection of marketing materials changing based on whatever someone was trying to sell at the moment. So - which bible do you believe in - the one that tells you that homosexuality is a sin that is punishable by death - or the one that shows you that it was rewarded by making someone king? Do as I do, not as I say?

At the end of the day - anytime you excuse something by "the bible said so" - you are lying to yourself...

The bible is full of contradictions based on whatever someone was trying to sell you at that moment.

 

Uh, ok. Which ones are hypocrites and why?

 

Yeah, because if you are going to have any spiritual beliefs, it has to be exactly the same as everybody else.

Interestingly, the majority of the hate, judgement and bigotry in this thread comes from those that are so quick to rage against religion for doing so.

 

I have to admit, I didn't read every link or article posted, just the first couple. I didn't see any of that in the first couple links.

 

Please show me some quotes from this thread where the religious folks were throwing out hate filled terms, calling others bigots and hypocrites, at an entire of group of people. There has been plenty of that here from the other side. If you want to continue with your head in the sand, that is fine, but you sure are quick to toss out the insults.

 

ABM,

for your link they substitute the word "homosexual" in 1 Cor 6 9-10

I do not own a bible. Do all of them say this or is it

The two Old Testament commandments would seem to have to be thrown out with the other laws of Moses.

The last quote from Romans seems to say it is wrong for a man that is naturally attracted to a woman to whore himself with another man. That does not necessarily say that it is wrong to have sex with another man since it would not apply to gay males that naturally like males.

 

Who said that? Or are you just building strawmen?

I don't know you, so I can't judge. You sure seem quick to lump people into a group and then call them bigots for judging a group of people. I'm sure you see the irony.

 

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:24-32

 

Denny is in San Diego. What does he need a trip to Hawaii for? I believe, however, that 12 more responses will get him a fly-fishing vacation in Montana! Flies included!

 

Like I said, I'm sure you see the irony here.

 

You got beat up a lot in school? That would explain why you are such an angry little guy.

 

That is incorrect.

 

Saying that homosexuals are "sinners" (=bad person) because of something they had little or nothing to do with seems very hateful indeed.

 

Did you simply scan a few pages of the bible, or maybe you get it all at that website in order to save time?

 

Then you're not really a christian.