So KP is planning on picking Blake and Outlaw back up.

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  1. RickyRubio

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    Yup. Average players at below-average salary on one-year commitments. Easy decision.
     
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    to play devil's advocate...

    You're going to limit yourself to a guaranteed less-than-7M in caproom in the summer you've been targeting for 2 years because you have unnecessarily tied up 7.6M of your space in backup-quality players that you didn't have to? Really?

    That's why I think either Blake or Outlaw (but probably both) are gone draft day for a big move that probably kills our cap space. That allows us to have the 2.9M Diogu exception, the BAE (around 2M), the MLE (around 6). If the other team doesn't pick up their option (which lots of teams might) you can attempt to re-sign Travis or Blake or both.
     
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    Let me say this another way...

    By keeping Blake and Travis, you limit yourself to that 7M. Period. You don't get a BAE, MLE, Vet Minimum, etc. Nada. Even if you use their contracts in an S&T, they are worth less next year (7.6M) than this year (8.25M). Additionally, the other team HAS TO PAY that contract. If you trade them before June 30 and the other team doesn't pick up the option, they just traded b/w 7 and 10M worth of their bad/overpriced contracts and don't have to pay a dime.
     
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    KP said this on the radio the week after the playoffs ended. On top of that, given how much they're scheduled to make, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
     
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    "given how much they're scheduled to make"?

    They're going to take up over half of the existing cap room. I personally don't care much, b/c I think we have enough assets to make moves we want to anyway--and Hedo is basically the only UFA I care a lot about. Sessions would be ok, but he's RFA, so there's risk there.

    It might be helpful to look at it this way: think of Blake and Outlaw as 7.6M of players signed to offer sheets. We can either blow half our caproom matching contracts to mediocre players who'll be backups for us in the championship window, or have around 15M to be players for someone that will put us over the top.

    Smokescreen, imo. And damage control ("we really love you guys, seriously") if the trades don't happen.
     
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    If we go into the 09-10 season with virtually the exact same roster, I will be sorely disappointed in Kevin Pritchard.
     
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    If we don't add anyone, KP may get a reputation of being "anti-trader KP", stand-pat KP.. To miss out on LaCapSpace, and now this.

    We can bring on Joel Freeland next year, so yes, Outlaw is expendable. With Blake, they may hold onto him and try to trade him in a sign and trade with Philly, rather than letting him walk and risk not being able to land that FA.

    But I'd rather just cut him, and go after Nate Robinson or Andre Miller.
     
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    Why wouldn't you pick both of them up?

    For the money, they're a great value. Whether they fit back into our system (a system with the 2nd best in the West last year!) or they are moved to another team, they're certainly worth retaining in one way or another.

    I suppose there could be a scenario where we're able to say deal for a player (i.e. Hinrich) and we find that the deals involving Blake don't bring us back anything that we figure we can either use or parlay into another asset, but I find that extremely remote.

    They will pick up those team options.
     
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    I think that what this tells us is that KP believes he can get whoever he wants in free-agency with the cap we will have - or he does not like anyone available in free-agency and wants them as cheap trade chips.

    The more I think about it - it seems to me that the only possible free-agency target is Sessions - Miller will require more money and we heard some questions about locker-room issues recently, Kidd will require more money.

    It's Sessions or trade. My gut feeling is that a trade is the most likely way changes to the roster will happen.
     
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    Aside from thinking that Hedo should be in that sentence, :check:
     
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    Thank you, very much for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
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    You won't be alone in that feeling my friend. Outlaw needs to go he drives me freaking insane and any remaining good feelings I had were repeatedly stabbed in the eyes by his playoff "effort". My concern about Blake and Nate's relationship is best summed up by the following visual aid:

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    (hint Nate = Linus)
     
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    Great pick up. Solid players for very cheap.
     
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    Paying 7 million for those two is a great deal, no matter how you slice it. By letting them go, you'd be losing a lot more than people think. Not to mention, there is value to having people on the roster that understand the system and have chemistry with the majority of our roster.

    Even if we want to take a lopsided contract back to bring a better PG and SF, those are two chips you want to have. A team giving up one of those positions, is going to want at least a solid backup in return, along with the salary savings.

    I don't think there is a team in the NBA that wouldn't take on those options.
     
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    The flip side of that is that we might have a better opportunity to use that money.

    I'd rather have one star than those two guys and an MLE-level (or slightly higher than MLE player). If letting Blaker and/or Outlaw go to get that star (being able to offer him a max contract instead of $8m, or whatever) I'd do it.

    As things stand now, though, they're good value and there's no reason to let them go.

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    If we let Blake go, our PG situation looks pretty weak.
     
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    I'm sorely disappointed that we are picking up both options- it's declaring surrender on the idea of picking up a 4th potential impact player. It sickens me to think that we let Raef expire without getting anything in exchange (yes, I would much rather have either Wallace or Butler than the potential of Batum). It further sickens me that we wouldn't take 14 million to sign that impact player this offseason- we would probably be the most appealing free agent destination.
     
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    So we risk going into next season with Bayless and an unhappy Sergio as our only PGs? Who is the key impact player you want to throw 14 million dollars at this year?
     
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