So NOW do you understand what I'm talking about??? We are a better team this year.

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  1. VanillaGorilla

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    It is for me. I'll NEVER want my favorite team to lose just because it might give them a slightly higher chance of getting a better player in the draft.
     
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    I didn't say it's bad to want them to win, it's just better if they lose. If they wanna go insane and win 30 in a row, fine by me.

    They just won't and they need more players. So losing is winning possibly.
     
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    Disclaimer--this post will be TL;DR.

    The sentiment of frustration about Stotts going all out to try to win every game has nothing to do (for most people) with draft position. It has to do with bringing out secondary players ability to contribute meaningfully.

    Imagine if we spent five games--just five--primarily running offensive sets designed to get shots for Leonard, Vonleh, Harkless, and Plumlee. If CJ and Dame took a backseat for those five games and sought primarily to use their playmaking abilities to get secondary scorers hitting on all cylinders.

    Would we lose all five games? Probably. But could it help break Meyers out of his slump? Maybe. Could Vonleh figure out how to be involved and engaged in the offense on a game to game basis? Theoretically. Could it bring Harkless back to the land of the living? Possibly. Could it cause defenses to pay more attention to Plumlee in the past, thereby opening up a little space for everyone else? Perhaps.

    My concern, and the concern of many others, is that the potential growth and development of several players on the team may be being stunted by the apparent win-every-game mentality that leads to Dame and CJ taking half of the team's shots. I'd love to see Stotts encourage them defer more to the secondary and tertiary players to see who might actually step up in expanded roles, because that would likely be beneficial to the franchise in the long term.
     
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    this is IMO a developmental yr, I'd like to see Cliff get some reg minutes (5-10 mpg) for 5 games or so and if he plays well then he keeps them or earns more, at least give him a chance to earn more, same for Montero and even Pat
     
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    I think Stotts is doing a fine job. He was handed a completely unfamiliar group to coach for the most part and all that experimenting belongs in the practice room...I think he's kept a solid 10 man rotation and spread the minutes around to include newer guys. If Meyers wasn't sucking it up, we'd feel much better about the roster I think...he's having a horrible shooting season for a guy we expected to start and collect double doubles night in and night out
     
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    Those players have plenty of opportunities to contribute and show their worth, they don't need the offense run through them.
     
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    For those who want to see the end of the bench guys....we need to start blowing out some teams for that to happen. Also if they suck, they'll lose trade value
     
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    I wish we still had a D league team to send the rookies to to get some playing time
     
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    Stotts starts Vonleh. This way Noah gets to bang with opponents' starters instead of against their 2nd units.

    It seems to me he's both developing the guy who needs it the most as well as trying to win.

    The guys on the end of the bench? They have to show in practice they deserve to be in the NBA.
     
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    LOL, seriously they have basically NO trade value at this time, and they will much more likely get playin time when we are gettin blown out then vice versa, they will get some time when the playoffs are out of reach and even for the most optimistic and that likely happen 2nd half or last third of season IMO
     
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    this time of yr there in not enough practice time to really "show" anything, just gotta throw em in once in a while
     
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    But he has given players chances and people like CJ and Crabbe have gotten more minutes because they've earned it. We generally run the offense through Vonleh at the start of games.
     
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    I still don't understand what the OP was talking about ...
     
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    I really don't think he did either
     
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    Portland isn't a bad team, their biggest problem is that they are often behind when time runs out.
     
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    Hang in there. This is hardest part of our schedule. 19 of first 31 on the road. We'll get a win streak going again soon.
     
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    LOL!
     
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    Yes, and also I think it's a learning curve. We need to learn to win on the road, learn to win close games. It could take this team even another year until their in full stride
     
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    We're 1-8 against the Eastern Conference where we used to do so well.
     
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    Which means we're 9-6 in the western conference. lol.
     
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