<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Feb 18 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do we need Lowry? I love him at PG but we have Harris Marcus and DA. And he can't play SG IMO.</div> Well, in most "rumors", DA would be gone, in one way or another. And Marcus sucks. He was extremely disappointing in the Toronto game, and has shown no progress from his rookie year. Lowry would be great. He's actually better than Marcus and DA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Feb 18 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do we need Lowry? I love him at PG but we have Harris Marcus and DA. And he can't play SG IMO.</div> yeah, Thorn is going to go out and trade for an undersized, often injured 21 year old point guard when he has Harris and Williams, who doesnt suck by the way. Please... I would give up both first round picks for Miller. That's what they're there for. See Carter, Vince; trade; draft picks. In 2004-05, the Nets assembled eight picks over three years, which turned into: Vince Carter (2 first rounders) Cliff Robinson (2 second rounders) Marcus Williams, Josh Boone, Hassan Adams, and Sean Williams In 2007-08, the Nets assembled seven picks over three years, which turned into?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 18 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, Thorn is going to go out and trade for an undersized, often injured 21 year old point guard when he has Harris and Williams, who doesnt suck by the way.</div> I don't really get to watch the games, and from what it sounds like, it wouldn't matter because Marcus doesn't play much anyway, but why do we now think Marcus doesn't suck? He hit the rookie wall hard last year and still hasn't really recovered. I understand he's rehabbing injury, but I've heard he's just looked bad, and that includes the mental aspect (something that probably should be improving). Add on to that the whispers here and there that the team isn't thrilled with his work ethic. He's naturally talented, but there's lots of talented guys who end up being mediocre or overrated basketball players. It seems like Marcus' best case right now is Jamaal Tinsley, and if that's the case, yeah, I think we should be in the market for a new point guard. Plus, Lowry just seems like a good locker room guy, someone who'll push everyone else to work as hard as he does. That's something Marcus will never, ever be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 18 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 18 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, Thorn is going to go out and trade for an undersized, often injured 21 year old point guard when he has Harris and Williams, who doesnt suck by the way.</div> I don't really get to watch the games, and from what it sounds like, it wouldn't matter because Marcus doesn't play much anyway, but why do we now think Marcus doesn't suck? He hit the rookie wall hard last year and still hasn't really recovered. I understand he's rehabbing injury, but I've heard he's just looked bad, and that includes the mental aspect (something that probably should be improving). Add on to that the whispers here and there that the team isn't thrilled with his work ethic. He's naturally talented, but there's lots of talented guys who end up being mediocre or overrated basketball players. It seems like Marcus' best case right now is Jamaal Tinsley, and if that's the case, yeah, I think we should be in the market for a new point guard. Plus, Lowry just seems like a good locker room guy, someone who'll push everyone else to work as hard as he does. That's something Marcus will never, ever be. </div> HE BROKE HIS FOOT...REPEAT, HE BROKE HIS FOOT. Lowry lost most of last year, yet people are willing to suggest he is better than Marcus Williams??? Lowry is a college point guard with limited ability or stature to make it in the NBA. Lowry "just seems to be a good locker room guy". Translation: you're guessing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 18 2008, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 18 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 18 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, Thorn is going to go out and trade for an undersized, often injured 21 year old point guard when he has Harris and Williams, who doesnt suck by the way.</div> I don't really get to watch the games, and from what it sounds like, it wouldn't matter because Marcus doesn't play much anyway, but why do we now think Marcus doesn't suck? He hit the rookie wall hard last year and still hasn't really recovered. I understand he's rehabbing injury, but I've heard he's just looked bad, and that includes the mental aspect (something that probably should be improving). Add on to that the whispers here and there that the team isn't thrilled with his work ethic. He's naturally talented, but there's lots of talented guys who end up being mediocre or overrated basketball players. It seems like Marcus' best case right now is Jamaal Tinsley, and if that's the case, yeah, I think we should be in the market for a new point guard. Plus, Lowry just seems like a good locker room guy, someone who'll push everyone else to work as hard as he does. That's something Marcus will never, ever be. </div> HE BROKE HIS FOOT...REPEAT, HE BROKE HIS FOOT. Lowry lost most of last year, yet people are willing to suggest he is better than Marcus Williams??? Lowry is a college point guard with limited ability or stature to make it in the NBA. Lowry "just seems to be a good locker room guy". Translation: you're guessing. </div> I agree that he's undersized, and the foot injury is spooky, but it's also a broken bone, and those tend to heal completely. He had an ACL tear in college, but that was his freshman year - he's had plenty of time since then and it hasn't come up. He's played every game this year (although without particularly impressive stats - looks like he's still recovering). As far as the "locker room guy" thing goes, the idea was planted in my mind with this TrueHoop post: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-26-1...-o-Licious.html His draftexpress scouting report mentions his energy explicitly. Makes him sound very "Kenyon Martin"-esque. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyle-Lowry-608 I want him for the same reasons I want Joakim Noah - I want guys who care about winning more than personal stats. I don't know if he'll be a better point guard than Marcus Williams, but I know he's boom or bust - if think that if he's not a star, he's not going to be a particularly productive player. I'm positive Lowry will be a better role player, if it comes to that.
Marcus's faults are hardly have to do with his physical condition, but rather they mostly deal with his head when he is playing. Most of the time he does piss-poor plays and plays atrocious defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 18 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus's faults are hardly have to do with his physical condition, but rather they mostly deal with his head when he is playing. Most of the time he does piss-poor plays and plays atrocious defense.</div> ...or simply no defense at all.
I'm surprised NI is a M Williams supporter. What is the evidence that Marcus is more that a decent college player? Again, I have watched 90% of the Nets games the past two years and I can remember only two outstanding performances. Against the Knicks in preseason and against the Suns (in extended garbage time). He was playing against extremely slack defense both times. Of course there was his final NCAA game against George Mason. That was impressive, not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 18 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 18 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus's faults are hardly have to do with his physical condition, but rather they mostly deal with his head when he is playing. Most of the time he does piss-poor plays and plays atrocious defense.</div> ...or simply no defense at all. </div> pfff, almost the same.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spartannj @ Feb 18 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm surprised NI is a M Williams supporter. What is the evidence that Marcus is more that a decent college player? Again, I have watched 90% of the Nets games the past two years and I can remember only two outstanding performances. Against the Knicks in preseason and against the Suns (in extended garbage time). He was playing against extremely slack defense both times. Of course there was his final NCAA game against George Mason. That was impressive, not.</div> You forgot to mention his GREAT defensive prowess on Gerry McNamara in the Big East Tournament (which UConn lost).
