OT Something nice I read about Portland

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  1. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Ah, got it, thank you.
     
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    Can't be the case Sly. I fully support civil rights, yours, mine, and hers. Every other US citizen for that matter.
     
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    Housing is expensive around here not because wages are high (there are a lot of low-medium income people) but simply because demand outstrips supply. Due to high employment, if not high wages. High employment is a good thing, of course, but cities did not plan well for growth, building housing is not as profitable as other structures, and there are so many people looking landlords and real estate can jack up prices because SOMEONE will have enough money to pay. The rest drive hours daily, or cram multiple people into small units, or are homeless. I pay a relatively low rent, but it's not a great neighborhood, the house, which sits directly on the Hayward fault, is poorly built and the landlord expect me to be responsible for repairs and maintenance, so instead of paying in rent I am paying in handyperson, electrician, etc. Like this Saturday someone is repairing my exhaust fan, last month the outlets in my kitchen all went out, etc.

    Unless I am much mistaken (and if so I apologize) MarAzul has opposed marriage equality. Anyone who says I am not entitled to the same rights they have does not support full civil rights.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Would you say you support every citizen's civil rights as much as Jeff Sessions does?
     
  5. MarAzul

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    I agree. But I am surprised you would know.
     
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    It's happening in Eugene now...demand for houses is outstripping supply here. It's been like that in SF for decades...back in the 70s the bay area folks were all moving to the Sierras or Oregon...Californians have definitely inflated housing prices up here by offering above market prices and squeezing out many local buyers or renters.
     
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    While this is true in general, the situation is worse specifically in SF is the building restrictions that disapprove of high-rises in the city zone regulations. Basically, San Francisco is limited in where it can expand, for all practical purposes, it can only expand vertically, but the zoning regulations do not allow this.
     
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    Right, Andalusian, but housing is tight in the entire area, SF, peninsula, East Bay from Richmond Bridge to Livermore. And traffic getting worse as people have to drive farther and BART is way over capacity.

    Anyone who says Jefferson Beauregard Session III, who was considered too racist to be a judge in the 80s, who called the gutting of the Civil Rights Act a "victory for the South" and prosecuted King's aids for registering Black voters, who insisted on the executive order removing protection from transgender students, received a zero from Human Rights Campaign, to be the model for civil rights, is unlikely to support equality.
     
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    I have never said this. Your are of course entitled to all rights we have been granted by the creator and the Constitution of the US. You won't find a post that refutes this.
     
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    California is so goddamn stupid. This sounds JUST like a typical California problem too.

    Christ. How do people live there? It's no wonder people are moving away. The problem is, they take this same dumbass mentality with them that got them regulated out of California in the first place.

    Fucking seriously, I hear all the time these self-righteous douchebags who live in the Silicon Valley lecture people on Social Media about how the rest of the country is shit, and that they live in some kind of shining example of the perfect society. But it sure doesn't seem like it!
     
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    California is a massive bubble of stupidity. Its only a matter of time where it all catches up, and the US will have to bail it out eventually.
     
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    It's a real shame. I lived there until I was 12 before my family moved up here in 1995. I've personally been to almost every corner of that state; from the south coast to the northern Sierra Nevada mountains. There are many beautiful places there.

    But fuck, you are right: it's just a giant bubble of stupidity right now; the whole state.
     
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    Yes, but they really need some more dams built. Another up Coyote creek would have cost less than the flood last week.
    Geez when the water comes, they don't save it. When the drought comes, the bitch like hell about climate change.

    The real problem is their populations has doubled since the last dams were built, and they are afraid of those.
     
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    This. Well said.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    This is somewhat similar to Portland, but Portland's high rent is largely self inflicted. San Francisco is constrained by geography. Virtually all available land on the peninsula has been developed. Portland has the Urban Growth Boundary, which artificially (to a point) increases property values by limiting growth/development. The shortage of available properties has lead to bidding wars for virtually every residential property that comes up for sale. And "larger" inner city lots are being carved up so more house can be shoehorned in. Buyers don't care about yards and privacy, so long as they can live in Portland. We have plenty of room to sprawl if we want to destroy prime farmland and encourage housing developments to spread from Portland to Eugene....and beyond. Fortunately, our "blue" majority has stopped that from happening so far. But the pilgrims from (especially) California certainly haven't helped the situation, as @riverman has pointed out. Now, because they can't find housing in Portland, they're skewing the real estate market in the areas surrounding Portland (and is why @Jade Falcon's rent has skyrocketed....and property values in formerly affordable Vancouver have taken off). To really illustrate just how bad it is becoming, property buyers have actually begun to focus on Salem, after years of ignoring it and/or pretending it didn't exist (not hard to do). Property values there have started to significantly increase and there appears to be no end in sight. And it's only going to get worse in the Willamette Valley as more and more climate change refugees make their way here. Of course, these refugees (and some of you think foreign refugees are a plague!) are the folks who will help destroy the UGB and our already waning quality of life eventually.....I was born and raised in Portland, but, all it's charms aside, it ain't what it used to be and never will be again.....
     
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    Very good UCD! Self inflicted indeed.
     
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    They don't need more dams. Everyone built reservoirs in their backyards.
     
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    People are eventually going to have to come to terms with the reality that it's not good to live near the watershed, coast or on a flood plain....The natives thought the Pilgrims were nuts to build a city on a swamp...unfortunately, people will risk it for that ocean view. Contrary to popular belief..real estate can depreciate if poorly located
     
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    Riverman, all urban centers were built on major waterways - rivers, oceans, large lakes. They grew from town built there. Of necessity due to need to transport goods and people. It's not a matter of wanting an ocean view.

    Cities, like organisms, evolve.

    Far from people moving away, California is growing. If people were moving away housing would become cheaper, obviously. Supply and demand.
     
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    I never would have thought of that!
     
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