Speaker John A. Boehner will resign from Congress and give up his House seat at the end of October

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    C'mon, man, just think for a second instead of just spouting out garbage like above...did the President say or not that he'd veto any budget that came with Planned Parenthood cut? I'll help you out (even from the GOP-crusading HuffPost!)...

    Amazing that people who want to de-fund a budget item put it in a budget bill. And I get that the President wants to stick to his guns--that's his prerogative. But the cognitive dissonance is strong if you don't think that it's completely on him. The people (and their representatives) want there to be sanctions against the PP atrocities. Some states have already repurposed dollars that would have gone to PP to other care centers. And yet the President won't do that. He stands by PP against (seemingly) what the House and Senate want to pass, and is willing to shut down the government while doing so.

    Personally, I think that someone from a demographic that votes 90% (D) may want to check their own bias at the door before jumping in with ad hominem attacks. Talk about the issue, not your dislike of someone posting an opinion different than yours.
     
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    The Republicans have been trying to strip Planned Parenthood funding for years. Planned Parenthood is an excellent program that helps inner city people like myself. After my high school years I wasn't making much money. Planned Parenthood was very necessary for me to obtain very low cost birth control. Because of this my son was born when I was 30. I got the chance to plan when I became a parent. Stripping federal funding from Planned Parenthood is going to result in more intercity youth and poor people having more unwanted pregnancies. These babies will have to be paid for. Now, the reason why The Lying Republicans want to restrict funding to Planned Parenthood is based upon a goddamn lie. Plain and simple. They know this Brian... They know they are lying... Obama knows they are lying... So when you say that you will not fund the rest of the government based upon something you know is a lie, it is you not funding the government. Not the president that is vetoing the bill that strips funding for poor people. He like I is simply tired of Republicans hammering on the poor. I applaud him for vetoing this bill. Had federal funding not been there for Planned Parenthood who knows if I would have been able to plan when I was a parent. Republicans are simply throwing red meat to their base.
     
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    We have 300+ million people in America. If everyone is paying their fair share on tax, all should be equally beneficial to the citizens. Uninsured is not all Americans.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Say what???? That is 100% fact! Do you even understand what GDP means? Do you understand Debt? What is Gish about it?
     
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    Tweeeet! Foul!

    There's a whole lot of BS in this post, dviss1. First, Planned Parenthood's own numbers say that 3% of the procedures they do each year are abortions. That number, however, is deliberately misleading because patients typically receive more than one service. The fact checkers at the Washington Post said, "If the 327,653 abortion procedures were given to individual patients, patients who received abortions would account for 12 percent of total patients." link

    As far as paying their own money goes, there's a lot of wiggle room in that discussion too. Federal dollars are specifically banned from paying for abortions, but one route that skirts that issue is a practice commonly referred to as “fragmentation.” One case in Iowa found that charges for services and products rendered in connection with abortions (office visits, ultrasounds, Rh factor tests, lab work, general counseling, and abortion aftercare) were submitted as separate “fragmented” charges as claims for Title XIX-Medicaid reimbursement..[link] Also, if federal funds help pay for the facility, equipment, and staff that perform the abortions, it's pretty hard to say with a straight face that federal money isn't supporting abortions.

    As for the "baby part business" goes, the videos certainly would indicate that there should be some investigation of Planned Parenthood to determine if federal laws have been violated. Sure, the people doing the videos had an agenda and the videos themselves are "highly edited" (favorite Democratic mantra on this subject), but the full videos are there for anyone who cares to wade through them. The charges are likely overblown and limited to only a few individuals, but taxpayers have a right to know if there is corruption there that needs to be cleaned up. The "hear no evil, see no evil" approach of the Democrats on this subject is baloney.

    I'm not in favor of pulling the plug on Planned Parenthood unless they refuse to be more open about what they're doing and how they do it. That doesn't seem to me to be too much to ask in return for half a billion dollars.
     
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    If an organization is doing something illegal, they damn well should be stripped of funding. There are plenty of other groups that can help those in need.

    Furthermore, the investigation recommends that PP stop abortions until investigation is finished. It doesn't stop other groups that haven't broke the law to still give free abortions.
     
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    Um, they started campaigning against repealing what he had done because THEY WERE VOTED INTO OFFICE TO DO SO. Do you think it's a magical coincidence that, following 2 years of President Obama, a Pelosi-led House and a Reid-led Senate (filibuster-proof majority!), 64 of those House D's lost their seats, and about 40 went to Tea Party/Freedom Caucus types? And they've added 5 seats since to that? And that the Senate D's have lost 16 seats since 2010?

    I'm someone who wants smaller government, less military intervention in nation-building, diplomacy from strength, people to follow the laws (including but not limited to immigration), the majority of Pell Grants and other Federal Grants to go to student in STEM programs, Social Security to pay for Social Security (whether that means increase the tax % or increase retirement age is a debate we can have), Medicare/Caid to pay for Medicare/Caid (same caveats), comprehensive health care reform (not just lining insurance company pockets), intelligent alternative energy sources, and for religion to be out of government control. Many of those voted in over the last 5 years believe many/most of those things, and the President doesn't. I, as one voter, don't want to see the President accomplish almost anything on his agenda, and want a repeal of some of the stuff he and those already voted out have already accomplished. And many of the constituents of people voted in agree.

    I get that that doesn't play well in Oregon.
     
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    Have you ever gotten an abortion from Planned Parenthood? I may have been wrong about the 1% number. But when it comes to paying for it the people getting that have to pay. There are no such thing as free abortions.
     
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    Regardless, PP broke the law if they even sold 1 aborted baby part for profit. Do you support selling baby parts for profit?
     
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    The fact that the Tea Party took over the house has nothing to do with what the people wanted. Republican governors have gerrymandered the districts and you know this. Look up the Concord project and you will see exactly how the Tea Party took over the house. They were well funded. It was not a grassroots movement. They were well funded by smart people who made sure that they became precinct committee men. Those are the people who vote to choose who's going to be on the ballot. It was not the people speaking, it was a well-funded intelligent plan.
     
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    Don't ask me stupid ass questions like that. The videos are bullshit you're swallowing tea.
     
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    We have different ideas about "choosing to become a parent", but that's ok.

    Planned Parenthood is not the only place poor people can go for low-cost birth control. They aren't the only place for health care, and they aren't the only place for abortions. There will likely not be "more intercity youth and poor people having unwanted pregnancies", especially if the funding goes to alternate health care venues (like Arkansas, Utah and other states are doing).

    They do however, seem to be the only group that is a) funded by the government, b) conducts abortions, c) has "edited" video evidence of selling baby parts.
     
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    The bottom line in all of this is that Bohener had trouble as speaker controlling his house. Peter King was right when he said that the crazies are taking over. Bohener was not a puppet.
     
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    Use a little common sense. If late term abortions are banned what can be done with 20 week old baby parts? The baby is the size of a shrimp... Use your brain people... Stop swallowing the tea...
     
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    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    More like GERRYMANDERED INTO OFFICE!!!
     
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    We do? I take the common sense approach by saying that I may potentially choose to be a parent if I don't use a condom. What's your idea?
     
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    I don't think you're correct on this, but I'll give you a pass...but if you're correct on this, how did the D's lose 16 seats in the Senate? Did North Carolina and Iowa and Louisiana (and 6 others) get gerrymandered in 2014?
     
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    I don't need your Pass. Like I said do your homework and look up the Concord project.
     
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    Like I said, did 16 entire states get Gerrymandered so that the D's unfairly lost their Senate seats?
     
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    I'm pretty simple. If I couldn't afford a condom and didn't want to be a parent (or be at risk for an STD), I didn't stick my dick into anyone. But I recognize that that's supposedly not an option for many.
     

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