<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">No one ever questions my basketball knowledge. Coming from you who have made more laughable comments in a space of a few days than anyone here in the history of JBB. You should never be one to judge another's basketball knowledge when you clearly don't appear to have much. I have doubts you even watch the NBA. Seems like all you do is look at boxscores..</div> Your quite humorous.....However a few things. I happen to watch the game quite a bit, not just silly box scores. But I don't know what game you've been watching. First Bruce Bowen can "shut down" Kobe Bryant, according to you. Just when it couldn't get any worse, you utter out Ben Wallace is a better player than Yao Ming. Now I could argue on this one, but I'm just going laugh this one off. I really question your basketball knowledge.......... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yao may of averaged just under what ben Wallace averaged in blocks but Yao doesn't change shots like Ben Wallace does. ..</div> lol......what are you talkin about? Rocket fans know this is a childish statement. Yao changes just as many shots. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> His impact is what makes the Pistons a title contender. .</div> try...but no dice. The Pistons weren't a contender until they traded for Rasheed. Remember. The Pistons were just another team until Rasheed came and they're record soared!! I'm done talkin to you........Take a poll and see what people say about this one. Nothin about Ben besides his defense suggest that he's a better player than Yao. How long have you been watching basketball my friend?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Your quite humorous.....However a few things. I happen to watch the game quite a bit, not just silly box scores. But I don't what game you've been watching. First Bruce Bowen can "shut down" Kobe Bryant, according to you. Just when it couldn't get any worse, you utter out Ben Wallace is a better player than Yao Ming. Now I could argue on this one, but I'm just going laugh this one off. I really question your basketball knowledge..........</div> Holding a player to a terrible shooting % is shutting a guy down. Clearly you havn't watched or played the game enough. Fact remains Ben Wallace does alot on the floor and has helped lead a team to a championship. He changes more shots than any other player in the NBA. Obviously scoring is the only thing that matters you when deciding how good a player is obviously. Your lack of knowledge is quite amusing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">lol......what are you talkin about? Rocket fans know this is a childish statement. </div> You actually think Yao Ming has a bigger impact defensively than Ben Wallace and Yao changes more shots than Ben Wallace? please....now I know you are short on basketball knowledge. It's quite obvious that Ben Wallace has a far bigger effect in that area. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">try...but no dice. The Pistons weren't a contender until they traded for Rasheed. Remember. The Pistons were just another team until Rasheed came and they're record soared!!</div> Again you prove how clueless you truely are. The Pistons were 50+ games two years in a row without Rasheed. Made the conference finals without Rasheed. Pistons were a contender before Rasheed Wallace he just helped lift them from contenders to champions. It is really quite simple. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm done talkin to you........Take a poll and see what people say about this one</div> I could care less what other fans think, It's the coaches, players and GM's that count. And those who play against Ben Wallace will tell you who has a bigger effect on games. Until Yao gets close to help leading his team to a ring this isn't that debatable to be honest. Yao is the better fit in Houston but as far as a more rounded and important player. It goes to Ben Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is the better fit in Houston but as far as a more rounded and important player. It goes to Ben Wallace.</div> Ben Wallace more well rounded than Yao Ming........I guess in your "little world" thats true. But in reality, any NBA team would take Yao over Ben. lol. I can't even argue this one, you've out done yourself.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace more well rounded than Yao Ming........I guess in your "little world" thats true. But in reality, any NBA team would take Yao over Ben. lol. I can't even argue this one, you've out done yourself.</div> Actually, I would think that Ben is more versatile and more well-rounded. He is 6-9 but can do a great job defensively on any center in the NBA, and is also quick enough to guard even shooting guards. He covers a lot of ground in the blink of an eye and can get you 2 blocks and a steal every night, guaranteed. His offense is nothing to be proud of, but for what Wallace lacks on offense, he makes up for with his All-World defense. Yao is a great offensive player and can get you points but his defensive game is peanuts compared to Wallace. If Yao can cut down on his fouling and reacts faster, he can be a top-rate defender, but that's not happening. I do think that Yao should be the second-best center in the league, because I consider neither Amare and Wallace to be true centers, let alone Bosh. However, Wallace is the better player right now, although it's inevitable that Yao's time will come.
If all you can do is play defense, then how does that make you well rounded. Yao took the rockets to a whole new level too, you could say even farther. What were the rockets before yao came along, one of the worst teams in the league. He can make as much noise as wallace, and has, just on the other side of the ball. The season before last, i think yao played better than Wallace, but last season, a lot of people might find wallace better, a he took the DPY. This season though, Yao has seriously been working out. I see him getting a double double and steping up now that he has had 3 seasons and is heading into his prime.
I guess it depends on what you think a Center is. To me a center is someone who has a low post game. By backing down his opponent, using turn around shots/hooks, and low post moves. In my opinion Ben, Bosh, and Amare dont have that. Ben is a beast on defense but on offense he uses open shots, dunks, and offensive rebounds to score. Bosh just doesnt seem like a center to me. I cant see him competing against guys like Shaq and Yao 1on1. Amare is great but doesnt play like a center. He uses the fastbreak to score, mid-range jumpers, and face to face moves to score his points.
I'm a loyal fan of rockets,also a Chinese.I think most of you neglect one point that an excellent player is not only based on scoring ,rebs blocks and so on but also he can attract other good players.Why did swift choose rockets ? Is there anyone who doesnt love money?The answer is obvious-----T-M&YAO. And the most important is:why rockets has caused the greatest concern all over the world? It is Yao,it is the 1.3 billion people behind Yao.In the court Yao scores for rockets,beyond the court,Yao brings too much to rockets. It's nonsense to discuss who is better,Yao,just do what you want ,demonstrate your skill freely and prove yourself to be a top centre in one or two years. last,I think rockets will win the champion just as my sig shows.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, I would think that Ben is more versatile and more well-rounded. He is 6-9 but can do a great job defensively on any center in the NBA, and is also quick enough to guard even shooting guards.</div> Okay. I told myself I was leavin the Yao vs Ben debate alone, but you guys have been saying some incredibley inaccurate, unbelievabley stupid, ridiculous stuff. Ben Wallace plays defense, THAT'S ALL. He has no post game, a below average shot, and airballs free throws. That's NOT well rounded. Also, if you think he can guard shooting guards now, then you obviously aren't in touch with realtiy
Yao Ming- Min: 30.6 Pts: 18.2 Rbs: 8.4 Blk: 2 TO: 2.5 Chris Bosh- Min: 37.2 Pts: 16.8 Rbs: 8.9 Blk: 1.40 TO: 2.3 I rest my case
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay. I told myself I was leavin the Yao vs Ben debate alone, but you guys have been saying some incredibley inaccurate, unbelievabley stupid, ridiculous stuff. Ben Wallace plays defense, THAT'S ALL. He has no post game, a below average shot, and airballs free throws. That's NOT well rounded. Also, if you think he can guard shooting guards now, then you obviously aren't in touch with realtiy </div> Just because he doesn't score alot doesn't mean he isn't all rounded Ben Wallace is great at overall team defense blocking shots changing shots getting steals getting rebounds he is very welll rounded. His offense has actually improved alot and he isn't a bad post player now. Much better than he used to be. As for him guarding shooters guards, It rarely happens but there were times in the finals when he had to guard Tony Parker near half-court and he did a decent enough job. So Ben can do alot of things on the court to help his team win. Just because Yao can score more doesn't mean he is better or anywhere close to being as all-rounded.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">No one ever questions my basketball knowledge. </div> what kind of statement is that allnet? u think ur some kind of basketball goddess? just cause u a moderator dont get in over ur head. and everything u described above about ben wallace averages out to he is a great well-rounded DEFENSIVE player, not a well-rounded BASKETBALL player. well-rounded means good at both offense and defense in my opinion. that just seems like common sense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting chinlessbob:</div><div class="quote_post">what kind of statement is that allnet? u think ur some kind of basketball goddess? just cause u a moderator dont get in over ur head. and everything u described above about ben wallace averages out to he is a great well-rounded DEFENSIVE player, not a well-rounded BASKETBALL player. well-rounded means good at both offense and defense in my opinion. that just seems like common sense.</div> I do alot about the game yes and see the game from all angles unlike some people who just post garbage with terrible logic. There are a few Rocket fans who should be banned on their pure idiotic point of view. It's like speaking to 5 year olds who don't even know what they are talking about. A well rounded player is not what you described, what you described is what you call a player who plays both sides of the ball. You don't need to have alot of offense to be considered an all-round player. Many defensive players in the past have been considered well balenced players due to the amount o things they do on the floor. Ben Wallace does more than one thing well. If all he did was rebound then fine you would have a point about him not being an all-round player but the fact he does everything but scoring alot better than Yao makes It impossible for people to say Yao is more of an all-round player. Oh and Ben averaging 10 points per game is these days good enough for a center. So one can make a case that he does play both sides of the ball.
Yao is a gifted offensive player who can get by on D most nights because of his size... Big Ben is a tenacious defender who changes the game with his D rather than with scoring.. What Yao lacks defensively and rebounding-wise, Ben has.. What Ben lacks offensively, Yao has... In about 5 years, Ben won't have the athleticism that has blessed him with the ability to be the defensive stopper he is today. In 10 years, Yao will still be 7'6" and will still be able to shoot the ball. So what it all boils down to is yes, most teams will choose Yao over Ben when building a franchise because his combination of youth, size, skill and potential far exceeds Ben Wallace's. What Yao does not have however, is Ben's leadership abilities and a championship ring. The fact that Big Ben's got a ring and was a visible leader on his team should put him above Yao as a player for now, regardless of statistics. btw.. Chris Bosh - what was he thinking.. good player on a bad team, of course he'll put up big numbers. If the Raptors make the playoffs this season I might change my mind
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I do alot about the game yes and see the game from all angles unlike <u>some people who just post garbage with terrible logic. There are a few Rocket fans who should be banned on their pure idiotic point of view. </u>It's like speaking to 5 year olds who don't even know what they are talking about. <u>A well rounded player is not what you described, what you described is what you call a player who plays both sides of the ball.</u> You don't need to have alot of offense to be considered an all-round player. Many defensive players in the past have been considered well balenced players due to the amount o things they do on the floor. Ben Wallace does more than one thing well. If all he did was rebound then fine you would have a point about him not being an all-round player but the fact he does everything but scoring alot better than Yao makes It impossible for people to say Yao is more of an all-round player. Oh and Ben averaging 10 points per game is these days good enough for a center. So one can make a case that he does play both sides of the ball.</div> i'm not even a rockets fans so dont give me that crap about how rockets fans are like. besides, what makes u so great to call other people idiots? nothin i've seen on the rockets forum i'd say is different from fans of other forums. speaking of terrible logic. look in the mirror. well rounded doesn't mean playing both sides of the ball well? and u also take about seeing the game from all angles? there u go complimenting yourself again. u got a low self-esteem or something. most topic writers dont usually compliment themselves on how good they are. they explain it. and speakin of explaining, u see what i italicized? u got give some examples there. u cant just say "many defensive players in the past." and who is it that "considers" them well-balanced? lastly, u mean all-around player, not all-round. all-round means they're shaped in a round. that doesnt make sense. and seeing how most agree yaos better offensively and bens better defensively. switch the sides then n see who u would take. i would take yao's defensive skills over ben's offensive skills. yao is still a defensive presence n players think twice before entering the paint. u also have to box him out. ben never gets double-teamed or is the focus of the offense. yao is the focus of the houston defense n houstons defense is pretty damn good in the league, averaging 91 points against per game last season
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">what makes u so great to call other people idiots? nothin i've seen on the rockets forum i'd say is different from fans of other forums</div> I have been here a long time, clearly I know what I'm talking about and It is quite easy to spot idiotic posters. This forum has started to get a real bad rep which is a shame for the mods of this forum as they are great posters. The quailty of this board is not bad at all but there are certain posters who make the good ones look bad <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">well rounded doesn't mean playing both sides of the ball well?</div> Being all-rounded can mean alot of things in basketball. Wether It's what they do offensively and defensively or just defensively. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and u also take about seeing the game from all angles? there u go complimenting yourself again. u got a low self-esteem or something. most topic writers dont usually compliment themselves on how good they are. they explain it. and speakin of explaining, u see what i italicized?</div> I only brought It up due to Rock4life questioning my basketball knowledge. Something one should never do. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">lastly, u mean all-around player, not all-round. all-round means they're shaped in a round. that doesnt make sense</div> You are the last person who should be correcting someone else's english. The word you is spelt YOU not u. Your whole reply was painful to read. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and seeing how most agree yaos better offensively and bens better defensively. switch the sides then n see who u would take. i would take yao's defensive skills over ben's offensive skills. yao is still a defensive presence n players think twice before entering the paint. u also have to box him out. ben never gets double-teamed or is the focus of the offense. yao is the focus of the houston defense n houstons defense is pretty damn good in the league, averaging 91 points against per game last season</div> Obviously Yao fits the Houston's system alot better which is why I have already stated that he is the better guy for Houston. Mainly due to the fact the Rockets offense and needs a big man in the middle to score. Otherwise It would just be a one man show. Same in Detroit, the Pistons need big Ben's amazing defense inside to win games. Him and Rasheed inside are one of the reasons why the Pistons won the title two years ago. Yao on Detroit instead of big Ben would likely mean a 2nd round exit or worse.
Last time I checked, well rounded means somebody who can play defense and has an offensive game. Somebody who can do a little of both. Anybody with basketball knowledge knows this. Ben Wallace is a tenacious weakside defender, and great rebounder. But his offense is (very questionable). Yao is a solid weakside defender, and above average rebounder. But his offense is VERY solid. He can score with his back to the basket, shoot jumpers, and has a solid jump hook. He's simply a better player. While I won't call you an "idiot" (no personal attacks), I'll say that some peoples "basketball knowledge" are seriously in dought.
How ironic you of all people questioning other people's basketball knowledge. How exactly is Yao an above average rebounder? for a 7'6 guy his rebounding average is terrible. He should be averaging at least 10-11 a game. Fact remains that Yao's impact on a game doesn't come close to Ben Wallace's. That may change soon, It has to If the Rockets want to come close to a championship.
