<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post"> And I don't think JVG starts Mcgrady or Battier at SG either, since they're more natural position is at the forward spot. One of Bonzi and Battier will definitely start, which means Howard probably will be coming off the bench. </div> Battier has the quickness and strength to play shooting guard and small forward effectively and plays the powerforward with limited minutes. Which is why I think Battier will be able to hold down either the small forward or shooting guard starting job on defense (depending on which has the better offensive player). In Memphis, Battier would guard anyone from the other team that posed the bigger offensive threat, so a lot of the time he would be at the two or three. I'm just not confident on Battier being able to guard taller and bigger powerforwards in the league such as Garnett, Duncan, or Nowitzki (he was able to do it before, I'm not sure about now though). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post"> We dont have any excellent defenders/defensive specialist. You could make a case for Battier, but he isn't up to par with Bruce Bowen/Artest. But he is an all around great player and I really like him in our line up.</div> Actually, Battier is a defensive specialist. Check 82games.com's ranking of defensive players.
<div class="quote_poster">AznxBaller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Battier has the quickness and strength to play shooting guard and small forward effectively and plays the powerforward with limited minutes. Which is why I think Battier will be able to hold down either the small forward or shooting guard starting job on defense (depending on which has the better offensive player). In Memphis, Battier would guard anyone from the other team that posed the bigger offensive threat, so a lot of the time he would be at the two or three. I'm just not confident on Battier being able to guard taller and bigger powerforwards in the league such as Garnett, Duncan, or Nowitzki (he was able to do it before, I'm not sure about now though). Actually, Battier is a defensive specialist. Check 82games.com's ranking of defensive players.</div> <font size=""1"">igotask8board</font> We dont have any excellent defenders/defensive specialist. You could make a case for Battier, but he isn't up to par with Bruce Bowen/Artest. But he is an all around great player and I really like him in our line up. Like I said. You can make a case for Battier, and his defense surpasses our needs for a defensive minded/oriented wing. Just for kicks, My list for top 10 best defensive wings in the NBA would go: Bowen AK47 Artest Battier Prince Wallace Posey Bell Nocioni Iguadola
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Bowen AK47 Artest Battier Prince Wallace Posey Bell Nocioni Iguadola</div> where's kobe?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Like I said. You can make a case for Battier, and his defense surpasses our needs for a defensive minded/oriented wing. Just for kicks, My list for top 10 best defensive wings in the NBA would go: Bowen AK47 Artest Battier Prince Wallace Posey Bell Nocioni Iguadola</div> So even though he ranks fourth on your list for the best defensive wings in the entire NBA, he's not considered an excellent defender or a defensive specialist? By the way, who's the Wallace on your list? Off the top of my head I can't think of any small forwards or shooting guards named Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">AznxBaller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So even though he ranks fourth on your list for the best defensive wings in the entire NBA, he's not considered an excellent defender or a defensive specialist? By the way, who's the Wallace on your list? Off the top of my head I can't think of any small forwards or shooting guards named Wallace.</div> Gerald Wallace.
Starters PG:Alston SG:Tmac SF:Battier PF:Howard C: Yao this way we have some firepower in Bonzi, Head, etc. coming off of the bench
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whatever man. Sura had a much bigger impact on this team than you make it out to be. We did not get hot during the 04-05 season until Sura came in and meshed so well with everyone</div> That was almost 2years ago and Sura is coming off a potential career ending injury. I like Sura, but it's not worth it. We have too many potential impact players to be wondering if Sura can get healthy (when we know he's never gonna be). The team is moving in a whole different direction, Sura should too. <div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He got us 10-15ppg 5-6 assists 5 rebounds (as PG) Hit that Tre', so you couldn't double off of him (and the 2 most important ones were during game 2 of the playoffs in the last minute. Then T-Mac hit the gamewinner)</div> Again, that's ancient history. We have more than compensated for the lack quickness we had 2yrs ago. Bonzi can bring everything Sura gave us and some. Sura is NEVER gonna be healthy and will be a step slower than he already was. <div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Another line up I like. Alston Sura T-Mac Battier Yao </div> I'd hate to see Jason Richardson or Kobe dunk on Sura's head with this line up.
<div class="quote_poster">AznxBaller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">By the way, who's the Wallace on your list? Off the top of my head I can't think of any small forwards or shooting guards named Wallace.</div> Gerald Wallace <div class="quote_poster">AznxBaller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So even though he ranks fourth on your list for the best defensive wings in the entire NBA, he's not considered an excellent defender or a defensive specialist?</div> I consider him an excellent defender, not a defensive specialist. When you say D-specialist I think of Bowen, Artest, or Ben Wallace. Battier is very close, but not quite there. When you guys see some of his games you will see what I am talking about. That list only consist of the best SGs and SFs. I didn't even mention Cs, PFs, and PGs. <div class="quote_poster">whatever Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">where's kobe?</div> I wouldn't put him on that list even though he is a good defender. Where would you put him on that list? <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Again, that's ancient history. We have more than compensated for the lack quickness we had 2yrs ago. Bonzi can bring everything Sura gave us and some. Sura is NEVER gonna be healthy and will be a step slower than he already was.</div> He missed one season, and is probably a step slower. I would still take a Sura, a step slower, over Lucas, Bowen, Jacobsen, or any of those other D league scrubs. And Never say never.
didn't Bonzi Wells sign with the rockets.Well if he did thanmy staerting 5 is 1Alston 2Wells 3TMac 4Howard 5ming
WElls is all well and good but Battier is JVG material thick and thin. IF JVG ever wanted a an ideal player it would be a tall gaurd who is a great scorer but an even better defender. Battier is everything JVG wants except for a gaurd. JVG has been known to coach great centers and great gaurds. Tmac is the closest thing he has to that description.
<div class="quote_poster">TmacGarnett Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">WElls is all well and good but Battier is JVG material thick and thin. IF JVG ever wanted a an ideal player it would be a tall gaurd who is a great scorer but an even better defender</div> So is Ryan Bowen
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So is Ryan Bowen </div> What JVG said about Battier: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "It's not just our team, it's probably most teams," Van Gundy said. "Shooters are at a premium. "That's why I like John Lucas. He's a midget. He's got some other issues, but the guy can really shoot. Novak's got issues, but he can really shoot. Padgett has some things he does well and not so well, but he can shoot and make quick decisions with the ball. Battier, he doesn't have issues. If you have issues with Battier, you have issues." </div> I don't think JVG has ever dished out praise like that to a player. Van Gundy admires Bowen's work ethic, hustle, etc., but obvious it's not the same. Battier can actually shoot, he's an efficient scorer, a smart passer, and a very versatile defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So is Ryan Bowen </div> Please read the rest of my post before posting yourself. Go back and read what i wrote as JVG's ideal player is. Ryan Bowen has no offense what so ever. Battier has at least a jumpshot.
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whatever man. Sura had a much bigger impact on this team than you make it out to be. We did not get hot during the 04-05 season until Sura came in and meshed so well with everyone. He got us 10-15ppg 5-6 assists 5 rebounds (as PG) Hit that Tre', so you couldn't double off of him (and the 2 most important ones were during game 2 of the playoffs in the last minute. Then T-Mac hit the gamewinner) Another line up I like. Alston Sura T-Mac Battier Yao You could switch Alston with Head.</div> Yea Sura got us 10 ppg, and 5 rebounds, and 5 assists. But he had another sever injury after that season. Do you think he'll still be that effective this season? You want him to start at the 2 instead of wells. And you're saying you would like Head instead of Alston? No way, Head does not have ball handling or the defense to guard the 1's. I would never put Sura at the starting 2 instead of wells. A guy who just cam back from an injury isn't likely to put up the same numbers as he did 2 years ago. And he is getting kinda old too.
<div class="quote_poster">TmacGarnett Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please read the rest of my post before posting yourself. Go back and read what i wrote as JVG's ideal player is. Ryan Bowen has no offense what so ever. Battier has at least a jumpshot.</div> I'm not taking away anything from Battier. I'm just stating that Ryan Bowen is also a JVG guy too. More so a reflection on Van Gundy, not ur comment. relax
<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Sura got us 10 ppg, and 5 rebounds, and 5 assists. But he had another sever injury after that season. Do you think he'll still be that effective this season? You want him to start at the 2 instead of wells. And you're saying you would like Head instead of Alston? No way, Head does not have ball handling or the defense to guard the 1's. I would never put Sura at the starting 2 instead of wells. A guy who just cam back from an injury isn't likely to put up the same numbers as he did 2 years ago. And he is getting kinda old too.</div> ooookay, I believe I said. "Another line up I like. Alston Sura T-Mac Battier Yao You could switch Alston with Head." Nowhere did I say I wanted it to be the starting line up. If Sura is half as efficient as he was 2 years ago, and still brings that charisma/heart to the table then I woul be all over giving him getting significant minutes this season. Ideally 15 mpg would be great for Sura. And if I'm not mistaken Head guards 1s better than 2s.
I dont know, but I dont feel comfortable with Battier at the 4. Im really confused about the lineup, seriously. I actually once thought of this.. since Tmac mostly handles the ball anyways.... Tmac Wells Battier Howard Yao But thats too much on Tmac.
Wells can also bring up the ball. Maybe not run with it but with Yao in there the games slows down. NOT STARTING but TMac, Wells Shane, Novak/Hayes, Yao They want Shane to play 4 so they can have Bonzi start at 2. Best talent has to be in the stating 5. There are more than a couple shooters that can fight for 6th man. Juwan Howard comming off the bench, if thats how it works out, would be good. He still fights on the boards and can hit a shot. L.Head could backup PG in that crowded backcourt. Right now the 3 guys backing up PG is a huge weakness. Sura may be out all together.
If Bonzi takes a while to get back into game shape, he'll probably be coming off the bench to start the season. We don't need three one-on-one scorers in the starting lineup when our backcourt depth off the bench is somewhat weak. I think we'd be best served by Bonzi coming off the bench, and putting another shooter in the starting lineup. Hopefully Snyder's 3-point touch comes a long, because I'd prefer we don't go with the smallish Alston-Head backcourt.
