Stat of the Night

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  1. Strenuus

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    Fair.

    Meyers sucked in all facets of the game today - and in WAY more games than he has been good in.

    So, while one is a brand new player, the other is a case study with a pretty strong indication of where it's going based on almost conclusive evidence.
     
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    Anyone else reminded of Duckworth when watching Nurkic?
     
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    Worse stat of the night:

    Blazers were -42 without Nurkic on the court. (in 27 minutes) A guy who didn't miss a shot could only get 5 attempts? Maybe Barkley was right.
     
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    'twas but a joke. First, that I needed convincing that Leonard was unnecessary and secondly that he had big trade value.
     
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    This narrative is stupid, if you're going to insist on it, good luck.

    He didn't shoot every time he got the ball, so that stat means nothing. They passed to him enough.
     
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    No he didn't. He was 4-8 from the field and 2-4 from 3-point range. How is that sucking at ALL facets of the game? There isn't a player in the league, not even Kyle Korver, that would consider going 50% from downtown a bad shooting night.

    Completely irrelevant to my point about the misuse/misunderstanding of the +/- stat.

    Show me where I said differently. I did not. All I said is the OP's use of the +/- for a single game does not offer conclusive proof of anything. Dame was -17 tonight and Connaughton was +8. Does that prove Patty Baseball is better than Dame? Does Ed Davis being -36 in 19 minutes "prove" he's even worse than Meyers?

    No, of course, not. And that's the problem with using a single game sample of +/- to compare two players. It's completely invalid, and that was my ONLY point.

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    I hate to mention it but watching Nurkic I just imagine what he'd be like with the Nic and Nurk......Batum would love playing with this guy...hopefully when Turner gets back we'll see some of that
     
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    The plus minus argument is well known I think....we get that....it's just a measurement of impact and circumstance but it is a stat.....and it has some value for a quick snapshot of court time......yeah....there's the Hubie Brown way of breaking it down but it's just a live game pt of reference as much as anything...I think Stren knows PC having a plus isn't making him a better player than Dame....but for a stretch, he just might have had a better impact on a game.
     
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    If this is out of shape Nurkic...I can't wait to see ironman Nurkic
     
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    I thoroughly stand corrected. Dame jacking up 19 shots hitting only 3 while Nurkic getting only 5 shots...and making them all is by far the better strategy. How could I not see that. :D

    I'm all for banter and agreeing to disagree. The just plain 'stupid' retort doesn't accomplish much though.
     
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    It's stupid.
     
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    I stopped myself from a Forrest Gump quote
     
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    Brilliant response....you just made me $5 bucks, thank you. :twothumbs:
     
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    that 4-8 was negated by him being putrid. I dont think it was a coinicdince that every time he was subbed in for Nurkic we would fall into a bigger hole.. He's not a good big man, and I highly doubt he ever will be.

    I do agree that the +/- for one game is trash. But Meyers has been trash for years, so I'll go off of that, and conclude that Nurkic is already better than him (in Denver and here for 1 game). Because he is.

    And, even as big of a dame supporter as I am, hes sucked for awhile too. But, he's the star player - and were not fucking morons, so you can't compare the two.

    Meyers sucks. Nurkic is already better than him.
     
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    I'd say Nurkic has rattled Meyer more as a teammate than as an opponent....when he walked into practice Meyers probably closed his eyes and winced
     
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    Again, my argument is with the OP's misuse/misunderstanding of the single game +/- to show how much better Nurkic is than Meyers. That's a completely invalid use of the +/- single game stat, and I provided other examples to prove it.

    Why is Meyers -30 and Nurkic +19 the "stat of the night", but Ed Davis being -36, or Dame being -17 and Pat being +8 isn't? Simple, the first suits the OP's narrative and the others don't.

    I'm NOT claiming Meyers is better, nothing of the sort. My pet peeve is the continued misuse of the +/- stat to suit a specific agenda. You want to show how badly Meyers sucks? There are plenty of perfectly valid ways to do that. A one game sample size of +/- is not one of them.

    BNM
     
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    From 30 seconds on its just Lillard setting up Nurkic.

    Now show me tape of specifically where Nurkic was being ignored tonight.

    Thanks.
     
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    Having a net negative impact is NOT that same thing as "sucking at all facets of the game today". Shooting the basketball is one facet of the game, and tonight, he didn't suck at it.

    I've said it in every post I've made in this thread - I am not claiming Meyers doesn't suck. My one, and only quibble is the misuse of the single game +/- stat to "prove" it. It proves NOTHING.

    Did I say otherwise? No, I didn't. So, please stop arguing with me about something I didn't say.

    Show me where I disputed this.

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    Never said you said it. That is MY point.
     
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    Yes. The way he holds the ball with one hand while taking on contact before he shoots his hook.
     
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