Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by bradk8605, Feb 15, 2017.
Meyers has sucked for pretty much 5yrs with no chill.
im 100% saying meyers sucks.
So? What does that have to do with anything I've said in this thread?
End of story.
If anyone bothered watching Meyers in this game, it was the same ol' shit. He looked lost, didn't even try to play Defense, got bullied by guys a third of his size, and missed several easy rebounds.
And this is the case constantly with him.
Trying to justify it by saying that he had 4-8 or whatever that stat was is utter bullshit of an enormous magnitude. He was the same old bad Meyers that we've always known.
"I'm not saying Meyers doesn't suck"
your double negative, my 100% positive
and that his suckage in +/- goes well beyond this 1 game example
Read the title of the thread. It's "Stat of the Night", not Stat of the Season, not Stat of the Last Four and a Half Years. This thread is about this specific 1 game sample.
lol. It'll be okay, buddy. What we are saying is also true, we don't have to stick to the semantic. Breathe.
We're both very pretty girls, lets not fight.
I completely agree, but I just think it's funny that Meyers gets picked on just because he's Meyers. Ed Davis was -36. Meyers actually played "well" for being Meyers.
"Played well for being Meyers." A new paradigm in explanations of where the bar has actually been set and what is possible.
This is one instance where I think the +/- actually does reflect Nurkic's impact on the game. Generally it's not something that I look at, but it was clear that when Nurk was in the Jazz had trouble scoring, and when Nurk was out they didn't. Nurk's impact was felt immediately - we were down 10ish, Nurk entered the game and Utah didn't score until we evened the game up. Every time he entered the game this happened. Even if he wasn't blocking shots, he was causing misses in the paint just by being there. So unless you want to attribute the improved defense to Pat, I think Nurk's +/- really does tell a pretty reliable tale of his impact on the game.
Yup - I said as much to my buddy last night. Oddly nimble for their huge bodies, good hands. Looks like Nurk has more range, which made me say he reminds me of a mix between Duck and Sabas! Of course the E.Euro connection helps with the Sabas comp...and it might also be some projection because I so badly want us to have another Sabas-like player.
Probably, but Dame and CJ really need to do better staying in front of their man on D. The new back line will help but they need a better effort individually.
And don't forget the wisdom of limiting Harkless to only 5 shots, afterall he only made 3.
Leonard - 23 min - 1 rebound
Davis - 19 min - 5 rebounds
Harkless - 25 min - 4 rebounds
Vonleh- 24 min - 7 rebounds
Nurkic - 21 min - 7 rebounds
Connaughton - 20 min - 7 rebounds
Napier played only 12 minutes and had 1 rebound! Same as Meyers. That's pathetic.
What's weird is that Ed Davis had an even worse - in fewer minutes. What happened to HIM?
As good as Ed can be...he can't guard Gobert
It's not weird at all, for anyone who has a basic grasp of how the +/- stat works. Like Meyers Leonard, Ed was a victim of his teammates poor shooting when he was in the game. Was it his fault, that Dame and C.J, were a combined 0-9 over the first 7 minutes of the game? Meyers and Ed actually played decent to start the game, but they get stuck with a shitty +/- because everyone else was stone cold to start the game. Over the first 7 minutes of the game, Meyers and Ed were a combined 3-5 (2-2 from 3-point range) for 8 points. Everybody else was 0-9 with ZERO points. Meyers also had 2 BLKs and Ed 3 REB in that 7-minute span.
Yeah, I know Meyers sucks, but I'm also smart enough to know that single game +/- when used the way it's being used in this thread is complete bullshit. Unless, we can all agree that Pat Connaughton (+6) is better than C.J. (-15) and should be starting in his place.
Make all the Meyers sucks/Nurkic is god threads you want. I don't disagree with that premise. I disagree with the misuse/misunderstanding of the single game +/- stat.
he sucked in this game and just about every other game, take 1 game - take 4.5yrs, it dont matter, the facts are still the same.
You completely missed my point. I am not arguing that Meyers didn't suck last night, or that he hasn't sucked in the past. My point, is it is invalid to use a single game +/- to "prove" one player is better than another - and that's what the OP attempted to do in creating this thread.
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