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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Gronk Brady, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. South East

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    And I guess that is where we differ. To me this team has hope. They are a good team, not great and there is a 3-5 year window that they can make a jump by making the right move.

    And you never answered if you would spend money on a bottoming out team. If they traded CJ, Collins and a 1st for kawai and you bought season tickets. They make the second round and Kawai leaves are you paying for season tickets the next year with no draft pick no CJ and no Collins. Not a lot of hope there.

    All I want is for this team to win a championship but if I’m gonna start paying for tickets I want to be entertained along the way and I think this team does that and I can be patient and hope a move to put them over the top is there along the way.
     
  2. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    Honestly in a lot of ways I agree with Gronk, Might not be popular around here but NO drives me nuts sometimes. It’s just on this forum I don’t think any of us can go give PA a phone call and give him a piece of our minds so the result is none of us have much say in the matter.
     
  3. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    No need to apologize, it's all good.
     
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    And that’s all good. I’d bet that there are as many NO haters as there are supporters these days. The difference is there is only one or two that treat the rest as if we have ADHD and keep forgetting what they just read in the previous thread and the thread before that... and the thread before that..... day after day after day....

    I’m 60/40 on NO myself.
     
  5. South East

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    It’s weird because as a healthy, adjusted, rational person having this team take a huge risk is the best choice because you either get the best result or the team tanks and you move on and talk NFL or MLB to Portland. But I don’t think as emotionally attached as I am to the team that the risk is the best choice. That Telfare/Ha/khrypa era killed me.
     
  6. hoopsjock

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    So Collins, Baldwin, Simons, and Trent don't inspire any hope at all with you?
     
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  7. Gronk Brady

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    Not to reach their full potential on a team where Dame and CJ take over half the shots and there won’t be consistent touches for them to develop... especially with ball hog ISO ball CJ being 7th in entire NBA in fga per game
     
  8. hoopsjock

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    So the same guy who built a team exceeding your expectations for the last 3 years is a bum because of a 4 game sample size since you raised your expectations because that team he built was actually looking good?
     
  9. TorturedBlazerFan

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    We’ve been over my reasons for disliking NO about a hundred times it seems. You know full well it’s not because of 4 games. I don’t really think there is much he could do at this point to make me “like” him. We could argue over all the moves he’s made and I can absolutely admit that he has done many good things. He’s also done some bad.
    I don’t think that the playoffs were easy for any Blazer fan to swallow. No matter how you feel about NO.
    Anyways, like I said this thread is good for perspective, the Blazers have improved every year after LA left.
    Also those 4 games to me are way more important than the 82 that happened before.
     
  10. TorturedBlazerFan

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    NO shouldn’t be fired because of the fact I find his personality grating. If you want to build that case it would have to be for 2016 and then failing to bring in a 3rd star for Dame and CJ. Nurkic kind of saved him though he’s not a star he’s at least an above average NBA center.
    If you want to make a case he should stay he did a great job of restocking after Aldridge left. The team has at least record wise continued to improve every year. So yeah one could argue patience too.
    At this point I’m not calling for his job, but I do want to see more than placing our hope in a Collins and the other young guys...
     
  11. hoopsjock

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    Dame and CJ had 2902 FGAs
    Blazers as a team had 7132 FGAs
    2902/7132=40.94%
    At least be factual in your criticisms.
     
  12. TorturedBlazerFan

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    Jeeze that was fast did you have that stat memorized for such a time as this? Lol
     
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    No, it's easily accessible with this thing called the internet.
     
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  14. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    well, remember that 3 pointers count as 1.5 fg's vs 2 pointers count as 1.

    Maybe if you include Damians assists, that bumps it up to 50%?

    8)
     
  15. TorturedBlazerFan

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    On my phone it said you replied like a minute after it was posted. Now it shows about a 20 minute gap so, I’m less impressed lol.
     
  16. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    It was 28 minutes later but okay.
     
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    YeAh when I refreshed it now shows that to be the case...
     
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    Because it doesn’t only factor in 2010 or 2014. It factors in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and the law of averages states that players are likely to stay *near* their averages. For instance, using your logic, you would’ve given ET a monster contract in 2012 based on him shooting 36.5% from 3... Law of averages tells us he is likely to regress closer to 30% based on his career numbers...

    We can use this for someone like Tyreke Evans, who is unlikely to continue to shoot 40% from 3 and probably will shoot closer to 32%.

    Technically we were also defensively “superior” to Utah, GSW, New Orleans as well. I don’t think anyone who has watched Blazer basketball would agree with that sentiment, but that’s what the *numbers* say. We will have to agree to disagree here.
     
  19. tykendo

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    This is a developing young team whether the Media, or you, or me thinks it is, or isn't. I find it hard to give up a CJ & Collins, for an injured, and pouty Kawhi Leonard, when there's ZERO guaranty he will re-sign with the team. That's a huge gamble. What if CJ develops more, and Collins meets the promise his potential shows. And what if Kawhi gets re-injured, and decides "I'm outta here? Then Neil has made a grave mistake. I get his decision. Now maybe he did offer that package, and Pop said "no!" The only ones who know are in those two boardrooms. I just don't see a cap on potential of this team yet. That's my opinion. Go Blazers!
     
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    Blazer4ever Finding a Way BANNED

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    Addition by substraction.
    Losing Ed Davis opens up playing time for Caleb, Zach and Meyers who will get a chance to shine. The summer league team will get their chance. I like Simons but probably not for next year but Wade Baldwin should be the backup PG, Zach Collins should be the backup Center, Caleb the 3rd PF and Layman I actually hope gets a bigger role.
    Our weakest area is inside scoring. If Meyers somehow lives up to his potential this year we'll be very good, top 4 with more success in the playoffs. If he isn't we wait till next year when Aminu finally becomes a free agent and opens up our entire forward rotation
     

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