Stephon Marbury says hes the best point guard, Not Kidd

You also have to look at who Marbury has been playing with this season. The next best player on the Knicks is Jamal Crawford. After Marbury passes him the ball, Crawford will dribble until the pass doesnt even count as an assist. The other players on the Knicks are not as good offensively as other teams.
Kidd has Jefferson and Carter and they are a fast paced team
Nash has Marion, Stoudamire, Richardson, and Johnson all good scorers and they are a fast paced team
There assist number are gonna end up being way better than Marbury's

 

i think kidd is better than marbury. yeah.kidd's numbers dont show it but he does all the little things. he plays great defense and his passes are excellent.marbury has a lot of assists and points but his numbers dont help at crunch time but kidd either makes a great pass or plays good defense.to be trueful steve nash is playing the best now but when kidd gets to 100% than he might play as good as nash or even better.

 

I think the best point guard is Steve Nash right now, read the definition of a point guard Mr Marbury

 

rite now steve nash is the best pg. he is in the mvp race rite now

 

Maybe this has gotten blown out of proportion. Maybe Stephon Marbury is just talking in a sense of confidence.
I mean in his last 2 games, barring tonights loss to the Toronto Raptors, he is playing great basketball. I can see why his confidence is so high ....... maybe he just fears no one right now?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Penny:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe this has gotten blown out of proportion. Maybe Stephon Marbury is just talking in a sense of confidence.
I mean in his last 2 games, barring tonights loss to the Toronto Raptors, he is playing great basketball. I can see why his confidence is so high ....... maybe he just fears no one right now?</div>


you mean New Jersey Nets

Jason Kidd had 13 pts 3 ast 4 reb
Stephon Marbury had 31 pts 8 ast 4 reb

 

I believe starbury said this for his own benifit. He must believe that it gives him a psychological advantage. However, all the experts know that he is not a top 5 PG.

Nash is the best this year...period. (yes his D need work)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you mean New Jersey Nets</div>
Oh yeah my bad, I guess I have to adjust to Vince Carter in a New Jersey Nets uniform.

 

It never changes with this immature brat. He finds a way to expose his stupidity with the public every time with his mouth and his action. Who can remember him calling himself "Starbury" during his time with the Nets? Who can remember him forcing his trade to the Nets because he was unhappy with playing one of the unselfish stars in Kevin Garnett? Who can remember him wear "All Alone 33" in his socks during his days with the Nets as a swipe of his teammates? It never changes with this punk. He comes up with a doozy. He called himself the "best PG in the NBA" in response to a question about Jason Kidd and his success with the Nets.

What a freaking idiot and what a self-absorbed brat. First off, I don't mind him thinking that way through his actions not speaking with the media. You think guys like Magic, MJ, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Larry Bird, John Stockton and others would say that stuff. Hell no. Richard Jefferson said it best after the game against the Knicks Saturday night about how those great players never had to go tell the media that they were the best. Their actions spoke for itself. Obviously, Mebury has a problem with his critics like myself talking about his ballhoggings skills and the fact he has never won a playoff series. Two great games this week does not give him the right to say stuff like that. He should let the beat writers and his peers do his talking not him.

He is in zero position to even talk about his "greatness" I can come up with 10 point guards that is way better than Mebury. Second of all, has Mebury made his teammates better. I have seen his teammates publicly talking about how they hated playing with him after he left Minnesota, New Jersey, and Phoenix. Mebury has a long way to go. He can't even match Walt Frazier's standards of being a top Knick point guard let alone matching his PG peers in the NBA.

Gosh I can't tell how much hatred I have for him going back to his days with the Nets. I grew to hate the guy when he was very rude to fans at Continental Airlines Arena not to mention he refused to play for Byron Scott by faking an injury that helped expedite his Nets departure.

Mebury has long way to go before he can be a great PG and he has long ways to go for maturity. I know a 5-year old kid who is more mature than Selfish Mebury.

 

Lol, my friend used to go to the Knicks games, and he says sometimes Marbury would just go dribblinlg up the court and goes NEW YORK NUMBER 1 NUMBER 1 and jacks up a shot. But yea anyway he's DEFINITELY not the best point guard that's a KNOWN FACT

 

It's ok because Steve Nash is better than both of them.

 

Francis is definitely not a true point guard, to who ever said he was. He has so many turnovers and is more of a shoot first rather than pass point guard. In short, he's a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body. So are many of the players listed, like Davis and Marbury. A point guard should be more of a passer rather than a scorer, and they obviously don't fit into that category. The top point guard right now is without a doubt in my mind Steve Nash. He is putting up big numbers in the amount of assists and is one of the best in turnover to assist ratio. Its obviously evident by the Sun's current success. Iverson on the other hand, I think needs some more adjusting to be a great point guard, and lower some of his turnovers. I would really consider him and Wade more of shooting guards rather than point guards.

 

steve nash man is playing the best basketball of his life, cmon Steph you're not even the best pg in the east

 

Steve Nash is the best point guard right now. Sure Marbury is more athletic than Kidd and Nash but if you talk about being a point guard, that's to create plays, set up others with easy looks and shoot when having open looks. Marbury is fun to watch tho but I think he forgot what planet he is living in. He needs to watch Nash play cuz that's how you play "point guard"

 

Yes I agree Steve is playing awesome, but here is my list:
1) A.I.
2) Wade
3) Nash
4) Arenas
5) Francis

Star I think was a little hype when he said that. Wade is the best point guard in the league as of right now. But I just keep asking myself what if he didn't have Shaq do you think that he would still be as good as he is now?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, I don't know why everyone is so high on Baron Davis as a point guard. He is only averaging 6.2 assists per game this year, and has a terrible three point percentage. He would jack up a three before dishing it down low any day. I guess I just never have liked him.</div>
Why are they high on Baron? He carried his team to the playoffs, he's a great defender, and though he has the fault of launching up way too many three's, his offensive mindedness is also a product of the Hornets having no offensive options. Have you ever watched PJ Brown and David Wesley [when he was there] try to create? Not pretty, Magloire isn't a guy you can dump theb all down low and expect to draw double teams and find the open man, he can score a little, but that's all.

The Hornets won 41 games last season, Baron played 65 games, and in that time they won 37 of their 41 games.

Baron is in love with the three too much though. His assists per game is not really a factor, he's been injured for one, secondly he's been playing SG a lot, and third, the Hornets don't have good players right now, even Magloire is injured.

Before he went down with his injury, he was averaging 8.0 assists in 37 minutes per game, which would rank him 5th in assists per 48 minutes in the league right now, ahead of Nash | Watson | Mo Williams | Marbury .

Right now he's averaging 6.2 in 30.4 minutes per game, which would still rank him 8th in the league behind: Nash | Watson | Mo Williams | Marbury | Tinsley | Ridnour and Brunson. Ahead of man of the other "very good" PG's, but you also can't neglect the 3.1 to 1 assists to turnover ratio.

Go check who he's ahead of yourself Assists per 48 minutes

His 3.1 assist to turnover ratio would rank 12th in the league right now, with the only noticable PG's being ahead of him as Nash, Brevin Knight, Speedy Claxton and maybe Ridnour.

Before being injured he was at a 3.33 to 1 assists to turnover ratio which would rank 9th in the league, right behind Nash who has a 3.39 to 1 ratio.

Assist to turnover ratio



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah baron is a product of the nba hype machine,but he's never been out of the the first round in the east. remember many experts believed some of the hornets teams of the past few years were capable of winning the east with all their size. plus, he's injury prone because of his history of weight problems.</div>
Yes, but do we forget that each year either him or Mashburn, or both were injured, end of story about them winning the East right? When Mashburn played 82, Baron was injured, last season Mash only played 19 games.

The year they were both healthy, depending on who you ask they could've dissapointed, they won 46 games, but were 6th in the East, and lost to the 50 win Heat in the first round.

One thing many people neglect with PG's is defense, Nash isn't a good defender, and Marbury and Francis don't put effort on defense, and are weak defenders themselves. A PG needs to play defense, when a PG get's exposed defensively, it opens up many things for the other team.

1) Jason Kidd - Yes he's not at 100%, but he has a great mix of an all-round game, very good passing, and great defense, if he could only be a more effective half court player and shooter.

2) Steve Nash - His defense is slightly overlooked here [by me] because of his offensive efficiency and passing ability. Yes he has always had great options, but he's also a great leader on the court, and a smart offensive player. Can't say the same for his defense though.

3) Baron Davis - Why? He matches Marbury in the passing category, anahilates him defensively on and off the ball, and beats any of the other noticable PG's at this position in passing. If he could stay healthy, and was also able to lessen the three's and take the ball to the basket more, he can make a case for being number one soon.

4) Dwyane Wade - He's listed at SG in depth charts or in stat sheets, but anyone that's whatched a Miami game know's he's the point guard offensively, though not a real PG himself. He's not on the same level defensively as Baron and Kidd, and not there in passing even though he's lessened the gap from before. He's a good defender, not great, and a good passer. His offensive efficiency is great, and his very good shot selection also can't be neglected.

5) Stephon Marbury - His defense is weak, but he can pass the ball well even though he can be noted for overdribbling, but he's also a good scorer, and has improved his offensive efficiency so far this season.

6) Gilbert Arenas - Arenas is not true PG, let's get that straight, he's improved on playing the role a lot, but he's a scorer at heart, and a good one at it too. He's a very efficient scorer, also a very underatted shooter. After Wade and Nash probably the next most efficient scorer at PG along with Bibby. He shoots about 44% and 39%, he's great at getting in the lane and to the line, and he's improved his decision making and cut down turnovers. He has the problem of always wanting to go for the "touchdown pass" as opposed to making the easy play, and that's something he still needs to improve on. He's also a great all-round player, but weak defensively on the ball.

7) Mike Bibby - We all know he's a better passer than the numbers show, the Princeton style offense the Kings play allows everyone to be playmakers. Efficient scorer, and a good shooter, only an okay defender, not really bad, but not a "good" defender, about average.

8) Allen Iverson - Also not really a PG, people seem to like to argue this on, but commiting 4 turnovers a game is horrible, Iverson doesn't break Top 50 in assist to turnover ratio. He's a good scorer and good at getting to the line, though no efficient in his scoring. He dominates the ball, but has a team which is built in a manner that he can. He gambles too much, and though is good at playing the lanes, is not a good man to man defender, and hurts the team defense in gambling.

9) Steve Francis - Francis is not a true PG, as much as any one wants to argue, he's showed he's not his whole career, he doesn't even try to be one. He's notorious for overdribbling the ball, and forcing himself to take bad shots due to that. His decision making isn't the best, he does things every PG should know not to do, but to his credit, he's a great all-round player. He has superior athleticims and is able to get on the boards, he can pass due to having the ball a lot, and he's a good scorer and get's to the line very well. For a super athletic guy Francis defense is nasty, he just let's people by him, and really doesn't look to be trying to top anyone.

10) Jamaal Tinsley - This man needs some respect, he's a great PG, he knows how to run an offense, he plays well defensively, he doesn't have the offense of the other guys, but he can get in the lane, and he can hit the outside shot well now, and is just a great PG all around. He has the problem of trying to be too fancy at times, and makes some questionable decisions though. I'd even put him at 6th ahead of Arenas.

11) Chauncey Billups - A combo guard, we all know he's not a "real" PG. Finals MVP is nonsense to me, Bibby would've gotten it too, so would any PG who can shoot off the pick and roll. They had to give it to someone, he scored a lot in that series, that doesn't justify being a great PG. Billups is good defensively, and a good offensive player, get's to the line well, and is faily efficient in his scoring. Not the best passer, but can play the drive and dish game well.

12) Kirk Hinrich - Good PG, good athleticism, can shoot the ball well, can score, and is a good passer and defender. He's also still young, and has a lot of promise as a PG, will look for his teammates, and knows how to play well. Has improved his decision making, and cut down on turnovers this year, and is good all around. Takes a lot of three's.

13) Rafer Alston - Very quick and can get down the court in no time, protects the ball well, and limits turnovers. Good passer, and has a good outside shot, but takes a lot of three's. Can get to the basket fairly well, and is an average defender.

14) Sam Cassell - Good scorer, known for his mid-range game, can shoot the ball, not a true PG, but can play the role. Not athletic which limits his defense, so is just an okay defender, a little below average. Past his prime, but still one of the most efficient PG's in the league. His numbers aren't too telling considering he's playing 29 minutes a game.

15) Tony Parker - Good scorer, not great, above average passer, better than his numbers, but not anything overly special, about a 6.5 assists per game guy. Weak defender, and just okay outside shot, not anything special in the all-round department. Very quick and fast, but not as good a PG as many think he is because of good - great playoff performances, and being on the Spurs.

16) Speedy Claxton - Can score fairly well, very good in the mid-range area, and can get to the basket nicely. Is extremely quick and fast, a very good and harrasing defender, and a fairly good passer too. Great assist to turnover ratio. No three point shot.

17) Gary Payton - Can still score, still an above average defender, but not close to what he was before. A good leader, can pass the ball, and he's obviously past his prime, but still capable.

18) Jeff McInnis - Has dropped off in his passing this season, and his turnovers have risen, that is the reason for the low ranking. A measly 7.0 assists per 48 minutes, but he's a good scorer, very good defender, and a good leader. He can hit the mid-range shot well, and outside shot fairly well, and knows how to play.

19) Brevin Knight - Great passer, harrasing defender, and can get under your skin when playing against him. He's also great off the ball and at anticipating, and a great player all together, but is undersized





<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Star I think was a little hype when he said that. Wade is the best point guard in the league as of right now. But I just keep asking myself what if he didn't have Shaq do you think that he would still be as good as he is now?</div>
If you saw him play last season, that question wouldn't be in you mind , also if you've seen the games without Shaq, his production has not faltered, and has actually gone up because the Heat run more when Shaq isn't playing.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">Is Marbury on crack? He should say that to the Suns GM who traded his @ss so he could sign Nash in the offseason. And I'm pretty sure Phoenix won't be nearly as good as they are right now had they kept Marbury.

He's probably one of, if not THE, most athletic point guards in the game, but that doesn't mean he's the best. I would much rather have a pg with a pass-first mentality, great court-vision, and only shoots when necessary.... Nash and Kidd fit that description.</div>



this is the best post in this thread. You all need to read this post and is you don't agree with it you need to sit aside and let the big boys do the talking.


Stephon Marbury is one of the most overrated players in the game. Okay maybe that's wrwong. He is sick. he's nasty. One of the most athletic players (not just point guards) in the game and the only point guard who can really rival him for scoring ability is AI, DWade and BDavis. Marburys a great scorer and a great passer and ca take over a game at any time with an array of skillzzzz.....

that sed, Marybury is overrhyped at least as a point guard and has no buissness calling himself the best in the game. For a guy who gets 8 assists a game, he's a pretty selfish player. He'll get the numbers because that's what he cares about. He wants to be viewed as the best in the game but he's not all about winning or moving the ball unless the assist is going to go into his column. That's why teams he leaves have a tendancy of getting mildly to dramatically better after he leaves. He can win games with his scoring and passing but he does NOT make the guys around him better like Kidd does, like Nash does, like Isiah, Magic and Bird did. The only quality of any of those guys he has is Isiah's arrogance and borderline narcisism (funny! Isiah likes him enough to go out and put him on his team)

 

Stephon is not even in top 5 at PG. Jason Kidd is the best at PG I think then Steve Nash.
1.Jason Kidd
2.Steve Nash
3.Not sure

 

NASH (without a doubt the best right now)
Marbury
Kidd

Kidd hasnt been anything great this year so far.....

 

Nash is overrated hes playing with 4 allstar players(in my opinion) on his team each capable of putting up 30ppg on any given night.Also as soon as Nash passes the ball to someone in the post they try to dunk right when they get it to get Nash an assist but with Marbury they wait a couple of seconds try to post up and eventually miss the hook shot that they seem so happy trying.Just face it Marbury IS the best point guard in the league and this is coming from the biggest Phoenix Suns fan you'll ever see trust me.