Did you see the shots he made against Portland when he scored 65?Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHCv0Vvcdm8Cmon man. Wheather YOU would like to admit it or not. Nash is not as clutch of a player as Kobe. Kobe has been in way more situations and suceeded. That's how you judge that.
I can definitely see why some people would want the ball in Nash's hands with the game on the line rather than Kobe's... Kobe is great in the clutch, there is no doubt about that, but when he has the ball in that situation the defense expects him to take the shot, no matter what. On the other hand, when Nash has the ball in his hands in that situation, the defense has to be more alert because not only can Nash hit the jumper to beat them, but he can also create and find an open teammate to beat you.
That video wasn't even made this year. I said Kobe has been more clutch for his career but this year Nash has been just as clutch.[Laker Language] OMGZ, whys you so ignant? You need to start watching some games befo you judge! Nash is the clutchez of all time![/Laker Language]But seriously, Nash has had some amazing games. Just because he decides to pass more instead of trying to make fadeaways from 5 feet behind the line that go in 1/10 of the time and that one time makes you look amazing, doesn't make him any worse of a clutch player. Nash give us results, whether it's scoring 10 in 50 seconds against the Mavs, making a nice pass to help bring us back or just getting a couple 3's when we are slumping. Just because the team doesn't need him to take over to beat bad teams doesn't mean he hasn't been very clutch. There have been times when we needed him and he has been amazing in the clutch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see the shots he made against Portland when he scored 65?Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSCslMgvNQCmon man. Wheather YOU would like to admit it or not. Nash is not as clutch of a player as Kobe. Kobe has been in way more situations and suceeded. That's how you judge that.</div>Nash scored 10 pts in 1 minutes against the MAVS. Kobe scored against some weak ass BLAZERS.Yeah nice comparison. Nash can kill you in so many more ways. He can attract the defense and hit the open man. He can hit layups. Beat you off the dribble. And shoot 3s over your eye.
Clutch isn't about passing to open teammates. Clutch is when a player makes a shot in crunch time to either win the game or lead their team to victory.BTW I changed the video, it's a better one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Clutch isn't about passing to open teammates. Clutch is when a player makes a shot in crunch time to either win the game or lead their team to victory.BTW I changed the video, it's a better one.</div>Clutch is doing whatever it takes to win a game. Whether it is getting to the line, hitting a shot, breaking the defense down to hit the open man, or nailing a free throw. Dont make me go bring out some stats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Mar 25 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash scored 10 pts in 1 minutes against the MAVS. Kobe scored against some weak ass BLAZERS.</div>Want to talk about scoring against the Mavs? How about 62 in three quarters against them. Besides, just because it was the Blazers doesn't make it any less amazing. Did you see those shots!? They were incredible no matter who the opposition was. The Laker team in general is not that good especially at that point in a game that ultimately lead to the end of the losing streak where everyone but Kobe was in a slump. The Suns are a good enough team to stay in contention with the Mavs for Nash to be clutch against them. Kobe doesn't have as good a team around him, especially with all the injuries to do so. The Lakers need Kobe to be clutch against the Blazers etc. If he had as good a team as Nash does it would be the same with him being clutch against the likes of the Mavs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Clutch isn't about passing to open teammates. Clutch is when a player makes a shot in crunch time to either win the game or lead their team to victory.BTW I changed the video, it's a better one.</div>And Nash has made those shots, against the Nets and Mavs on national TV and many, many others. But I'm saying he's also more dangerous because you can't force him to take dumb shots like those fadeaways Kobe takes. He may make them sometimes in the clutch, but they are a low percentage shot and I've seen him miss them. Nash can't be covered like Kobe is because he has the ability to find the open man better than anyone. If you double cover him, you lose. He makes smarter decisions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Nash has made those shots, against the Nets and Mavs on national TV and many, many others. But I'm saying he's also more dangerous because you can't force him to take dumb shots like those fadeaways Kobe takes. He may make them sometimes in the clutch, but they are a low percentage shot and I've seen him miss them. Nash can't be covered like Kobe is because he has the ability to find the open man better than anyone. If you double cover him, you lose. He makes smarter decisions.</div>There is a difference though. Nash is a point guard. His job is to distribute the ball and make more opportunities for his teammates. People don't double Nash because they know he will pass the ball to an open man. Kobe is different because he gets double and triple teamed and will still make the shot in your face.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference though. Nash is a point guard. His job is to distribute the ball and make more opportunities for his teammates. People don't double Nash because they know he will pass the ball to an open man. Kobe is different because he gets double and triple teamed and will still make the shot in your face.</div>Would you rather have a double teamed Kobe or Nash. Nash. It doesn't matter how the defense plays you. The numbers show that Nash is more clutch in almost every way. The question is still who you would rather have controlling the ball. NASH. (4th quarter or overtime, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)Nash efg% - .696 with less than 10 secs to goKobe efg% - .500 with less than 10 secs to goNash also wins at any other time within a shot clock. And he is also a much better pass, and does a better job of not turning it over in the clutch.
since we're talking about the clutchNash vs. Kobe in the clutchPP48 minutes:Nash: 39.6Kobe: 46.4FGM/FGA per 48 minutes:Nash: 11.7/23.3Kobe: 13.4/33.3AP48 minutes:Nash:12.7Kobe: 5.1Assist to TO ratio:Kobe: 1.36Nash: 2.77FT%:Nash: 89.5%Kobe: 81.8%FG%:Nash: 50%Kobe:40%EFG%:Nash: 59.1%Kobe: 44.4%Team net points in the clutch when in:Nash: +50Kobe: +12Team Record in the clutch this year:Nash: 22-11Kobe: 19-17% of team's minutes in the clutch:Kobe: 97%Nash: 85%As you can see, Nash has by far outperformed Kobe in the clutch this year. In the end run, Kobe's points advantage works out to about a .3 ppg advantage if the clutch is two minutes long, and that's despite the fact that kobe takes 150% as many shots as nash in the clutch, shooting 10+% worse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Mar 25 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you rather have a double teamed Kobe or Nash. Nash. It doesn't matter how the defense plays you. The numbers show that Nash is more clutch in almost every way. The question is still who you would rather have controlling the ball. NASH. (4th quarter or overtime, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)Nash efg% - .696 with less than 10 secs to goKobe efg% - .500 with less than 10 secs to goNash also wins at any other time within a shot clock. And he is also a much better pass, and does a better job of not turning it over in the clutch.</div>Yeah... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FUnmXldMZGo&...ted&search=That is as crunch time as you can get and he loses the ball and lets Smush Parker take it from him. I don't care what those stats say. Put the ball in Kobe's hands with less than 5 seconds to hit a game winner, you are going home with a victory.Even Tmac recognizes:http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQY7NpbiFwk
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference though. Nash is a point guard. His job is to distribute the ball and make more opportunities for his teammates. People don't double Nash because they know he will pass the ball to an open man. Kobe is different because he gets double and triple teamed and will still make the shot in your face.</div>It doesn't matter what position that he is in the last minute. Neither he or Kobe is forced to pass or shoot. Nash just makes better decisions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FUnmXldMZGo&...ted&search=That is as crunch time as you can get and he loses the ball and lets Smush Parker take it from him. I don't care what those stats say. Put the ball in Kobe's hands with less than 5 seconds to hit a game winner, you are going home with a victory.Even Tmac recognizes:http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQY7NpbiFwk</div>Congrats on finding the 1 mistake he made in his 3 years in Phoenix in the clutch. Have a cookie. He still does a better job of holding onto the ball than Kobe in big situations. He's a great ballhandler
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't matter what position that he is in the last minute. Neither he or Kobe is forced to pass or shoot. Nash just makes better decisions.</div>and Kobe makes better shots. In crunch time, Kobe is the better shooter and the guy you want the ball in the hands of. My point was even with Kobe being double and triple teamed, he still makes three pointers in the opponents face to lead the team to victory while Nash is not double teamed because he is looking to pass. Because he is not double teamed he is not as heavily guarded and it is easier for him to make shots. Kobe does it with the defense swarming him, he can't really pass because the rest of the team misses, it has been proven this year. Lamar Odom, Brian Cook etc have taken their shot at a gamewinner from a pass from Kobe and came up short.
No, Kobe takes dumb shots. If he's double and triple teamed he should be able to find someone for an easy shot. Nash has made so many big shots this year and I think Pestilence showed that Nash makes a bigger majority of his shots in the clutch. He's just the smarter player and I would choose him over Kobe in the 4th quarter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, Kobe takes dumb shots. If he's double and triple teamed he should be able to find someone for an easy shot. Nash has made so many big shots this year and I think Pestilence showed that Nash makes a bigger majority of his shots in the clutch. He's just the smarter player and I would choose him over Kobe in the 4th quarter.</div>Well, that is your opinion. Kobe doesn't have the luxery of having as good of teammates as Nash does to pass to. When he does pass they miss. Kobe takes it upon himself becuase of that and MAKES these dumb shots. He also has to take alot more, which is why his percentage is lower, but in general Kobe is the better clutch shooter EVEN if he is double teamed. Nash is usually one on one and has more room to operate. Nash is also a better distributer as the point guard, which helps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 25 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FUnmXldMZGo&...ted&search=That is as crunch time as you can get and he loses the ball and lets Smush Parker take it from him. I don't care what those stats say. Put the ball in Kobe's hands with less than 5 seconds to hit a game winner, you are going home with a victory.</div>I don't care what stats say, Adonal Foyle is the best player in the NBA. Prove me wrong.you do realize that's what your argument looks like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Mar 25 2007, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care what stats say, Adonal Foyle is the best player in the NBA. Prove me wrong.you do realize that's what your argument looks like.</div>The stats don't tell the whole story, especially when Kobe takes alot more shots in those type of situations.
You would think that the first option on offense Kobe would dominate this category but he doesn't. Nash shares the ball and is pretty close. He does take the big shots in the clutch. AND he makes them. Percentage is more important. Nash wins. Nash wins. Nash Wins Nash Wins Nash Wins Nash Wins Nash Wins Nash Wins Nash's team has probably won, so Steve is chilling on the bench.
