it all comes down to, Peja averages 1 more point per game then KG in the ONLY category he excells at. He isn't even leading the league in scoring. Hes a great scoring option, but thats it. KG is a great scoring option, a great leader, a great rebounder and defender. Same with Tim Duncan. Peja is the best offensive specialist in the league I would have to say, but unless hes blowing everyone away in PPG then he can't be the MVP, not when TD and KG are nipping at his heels in the PPG category, have similiar FG% and do so many other things so much better. IF Peja averged 26 10 4 then he would have a legitimate shot at the MOST valuable player. Hell probably get 2nd or third in the voting at the end of the year, and he is so far the second or third most valuable player. But to say hes the ABSOLUTE MOST valuable player when you compare individual stats, thats absurd.
yeah i know it's a crazy league... i think the league defines MVP as a player that puts numbers... but they are saying no, it should be the player that carries a team and brings Ws... but they still snubbed J-Kidd two seasons ago. I'm just someone who perceives MVP differently... IMO MVP should be someone who carries and wins the game for his team... so picture this (imaginary game) Dallas vs. Magic, the scores tied with 3 seconds left in the game... Shawn Bradley, held to just five points up to this point, scored on a baby skyhook shot that gave the Mavs the lead with 1.6 seconds left... then TMac missed a last second three pointer in the end. But he finished with 40 points, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds... Bradley finished with 7 pts, 3 rebounds and 3 TOs. Now who's the MVP of this game? A lot of people will look at the stats and say it's TMac... it's not that I don't like nice numbers but in this case, I'd choose Bradley as the MVP of the game. So, basing on this perspective, I've been saying Peja over KG no joke, not trying to piss you all, I love KG, he's for real, but MVPs should embrace Ws not the stats... after all, how many times have we heard stars say, "forget the 50 (points), we lost and that's what mattered...", that's what real players say... it's a crazy but also an entertainment league so numbers shine brighter than ever...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting coolhandluke:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry but i have to dissagree KG, AI, T-Mac all have a much better chance at MVP.</div> T-Mac would have to win some games to even be considered.
Why do I keep hearing about Peja carrying the Kings? Brad Miller Bobby Jackson Mike Bibby (a great center) Vlade Divac Plus, this team has been together for years and should have been to the Finals at least once. KG is my pick because his skills and energy make me want to watch the Timberwolf games.
Peja is their leader... Well, for now... As is Garnett and Duncan with the Wolves& Spurs... But they have better stats, almost similary records, so they're both before him for MVP... And when C-Webb returns, Peja's numbers will drop...No doubt...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ThaLord:</div><div class="quote_post">Peja is their leader... Well, for now... As is Garnett and Duncan with the Wolves& Spurs... But they have better stats, almost similary records, so they're both before him for MVP... And when C-Webb returns, Peja's numbers will drop...No doubt...</div> I agree when Webber returns Peja will still play well, but Webber will take more shots and bring Peja's record down.
i still cant believe the amount jermaine is over-looked in this thread. what conferance a player is in shouldnt determine if a player is the "most valuable player". besides, check the pacers record against the west. pacers are a top team in the nba, and jermaine hardly has the supporting cast even peja has. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sabretooth:</div><div class="quote_post"> KG is my pick because his skills and energy make me want to watch the Timberwolf games.</div> what a good reason to vote for mvp
Jermaine has been the best player in the eastern conference without a doubt. He deserves some credit I agree. Consistant double double guy, shows leadership, emotion, great defender (underrated on D just as much as MVP contender) His team has the best record in the east and 2nd overall in the NBA He can't be overlooked.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">i still cant believe the amount jermaine is over-looked in this thread. what conferance a player is in shouldnt determine if a player is the "most valuable player". besides, check the pacers record against the west. pacers are a top team in the nba, and jermaine hardly has the supporting cast even peja has. What a good reason to vote for mvp </div> You don't understand, Jermaine O'Neal is, without a doubt, my favorite player in the East. I would consider him a close second (over Duncan) because, once again, his energy (and Artest) makes me want to watch the Pacer games. When you look at what they've done in the league, you'd be a fool to not give them respect for what they've done. I'd go as far as say that you'd become a fan, BUT, in light of that, I still feel like KG is the favorite because of the history and lack of help. Remember, the team could not get draft picks for a number of years so he's always had to work with whatever they had. I would love to see after a block by J. O'Neal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Jermaine has been the best player in the eastern conference without a doubt.</div> Are you sure about that? Sure, he's been impressive and is probably the 3rd best PF in the league, but he has also has his fair share of help. Best player in the East, is Allen Iverson, hands down. Yes, they have struggled but with a healthy lineup and Larry Brown Sixers easily cruise into the playoffs every year. Things are mixed up this year, and Philly has not been playing like a team. Unless your going by how much he has helped his team while at the same time putting up great numbers, and not by individual talent, I'd have to agree with ya. Baron Davis was also an early candidate, but his stats dropped. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sabretooth:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't understand, Jermaine O'Neal is, without a doubt, my favorite player in the East. I would consider him a close second (over Duncan) because, once again, his energy (and Artest) makes me want to watch the Pacer games. When you look at what they've done in the league, you'd be a fool to not give them respect for what they've done. I'd go as far as say that you'd become a fan, BUT, in light of that, I still feel like KG is the favorite because of the history and lack of help. Remember, the team could not get draft picks for a number of years so he's always had to work with whatever they had. I would love to see after a block by J. O'Neal.</div> Have nothing much to argue with here. I'm going with KG for the MVP award, but I noticed you put him as the favorite because "lack of help". Have you not heard of Latrell Spreewell, and Sam Cassell? The ONLY reason they may find themselves out of the first round this year.
Have nothing much to argue with here. I'm going with KG for the MVP award, but I noticed you put him as the favorite because "lack of help". Have you not heard of Latrell Spreewell, and Sam Cassell? The ONLY reason they may find themselves out of the first round this year.[/QUOTE] I can understand how what I was saying was misinterpreted. I was meaning lack of help in the past seasons. In addition to that...he has been the MVP to me due to his stats, intensity, and work-ethic. He always plays hard and practices the same. Like Kobe said last year, it would be good to see some different teams with fresh styles in the play-offs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I was meaning lack of help in the past seasons. </div> This is NOT a lifetime achievement award. Who cares what they had last year or the year before that, it is all about this season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, he's been impressive and is probably the 3rd best PF in the league, but he has also has his fair share of help. Best player in the East, is Allen Iverson, hands down. </div> I am a big Allen Iverson fan, but I disagree. I think that Jermaine O'Neal has played better this season. Jermaine O'Neal is the reason why the Pacers are my favorite to win the East, and the only team with a chance at winning the NBA championship. If they had an Eastern Conference MVP and a Western Conference MVP, Jermaine would win the EC MVP.
[quote name='STCBBall3']This is NOT a lifetime achievement award. Who cares what they had last year or the year before that, it is all about this season. True, but that does play into my decision. Sorry. But you also take seasoned veterans whose careers have been re-energized due to KG's work ethic and desire. If KG is a slumper who shows up late to practices and doesn't play hard, do you think that the T-Wolves have the 3rd best record in the league? Cassell's number's have improved to the best he's had in years. They had a "Big 3" in Milwaukee too, do you remember this much attention for them. This team gains fans while it travels....and wins. The MVP makes his team better, and KG does that for the Wolves. Moreso, than any other player in the league IMO. Also, have you looked at the productivity when he's not in the game.....needless to say....he gets short breaks.
Peja will never be MVP of the leauge...dont get me wrong hes awsome offensively but he dosent bring enough to the table to be the MVP. I think without any question the MVP should be Kevin Garnett....he can do everythign on the court...other players that should be considered...deffinitly Jermaine O'Neal...he will deff win a MVP award or two in his career....than after that you go to pretty much ur NBA superstars that are always in the running....that would be Tim Duncan.....and Allan Iverson.....but what about Jason Kidd he also deserves some credit...he is the best point guard in the leauge!
All I have to say it....whoops And LOVE IT!!! Tim Duncan San Antonio Spurs Position: F-C Height: 7-0 Weight: 260 College: Wake Forest '97 Player file | Team stats 2003-04 Statistics PPG 23.1 RPG 12.8 APG 3.2 SPG 1.00 BPG 2.69 FG% .501 FT% .587 3P% .182 MPG 38.2 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves Position: F Height: 6-11 Weight: 240 High School: Farragut Academy HS (IL) Player file | Team stats 2003-04 Statistics PPG 24.8 RPG 14.0 APG 5.0 SPG 1.37 BPG 2.31 FG% .495 FT% .749 3P% .222 MPG 39.8 But.....the season is not yet over.
Since when is a MVP determined by STATS??? M-V-P means Most Valuable Player ...... If i were to judge right now who was the MVP ...It would have to be Tim Duncan ....He means everything to the Spurs ...Without him , the Spurs would be below .500 IMO.....He steps it up BIGTIME .... I am a Kings fan , and it is a known fact that the Kings can win without our star players ....No Bibby , the Kings still win ....No Peja , the Kings still win ...No Webber and the Kings still win ....That is a good TEAM ...Therefore , i could not make a decent arguement as to why Peja could win the MVP ... But I'll tell you what ...Peja went into the All Star Weekend on a high note with a stellar game winning shot. Leaving .04 seconds on the clock ..... IF Peja can hit 20 more game winners this year ...Then he would most defenitly be in the hunt for MVP honors ....IMO.... What are the chances of that happening ???.....lol Go Kings~
[quote name='baralufficus']Since when is a MVP determined by STATS??? M-V-P means Most Valuable Player I guess you didn't see my comment prior to the last one. :mrgreen:
No way Peja is winning MVP. he is doing the same thing Dirk did last year, having a good year. Hes taking advantage of Glass Boy being out and hes doing well. No MVP for Peja, KG's has it locked so far. End of discussion
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Window_cleaner:</div><div class="quote_post">snif* snif* you smell that? whats that? ...I SMELL FAGGO.T!!! your an idiot... tim duncan?? kevin garnett??? shaquille o'neil??? ring a bell dipsh!t? Pejas smooth but hes no MVP</div> Even if you disagree, you shouldnt call someone an idiot. Yeah, as much as I would want Peja to be MVP, he probably won't get it unless they base who gets the MVP award on offense. Peja is just a scorer and he doesn;t make his teammates better necessarily. People who get MVP would be like Duncan or KG. same ol' stuff
