<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GSWScruff:</div><div class="quote_post">Unfortunately the chances are kind of slim. In order to do it we need to get a hold of that $10M exception, and NJ doesn't want to give it up, possibly because they want to make a run at Swift using the same technique.</div> In order to get Cliff, that would be the only way. We just could lure Swift over here with the line-up Map1986 has made us
Definately, that team would be very enticing. He would be looking at a lot of minutes as the prime post player. Also, Williams already knows what he can do, so he would get his share of quality touches.
okay, i've done some research and this is what would most likely have to happen: First trade: Cliffy and DD to NJ for both exceptions and a second round pick Second trade: 5.2 millionTE/Fisher/DunDun/2nd rounder for Posey/Williams/Humphreys Then the lineup would look like this after the season: PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/1st round Draft pick SF: Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick(same player) PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys C: Foyle/Bierdens Offer Swift MLE w/ 10% annual rais(max allowed by any team other than memphis) and he could slide right into starting center. yes other teams will offer him better, and if they do and it seems reasonable, the warriors could work out an easy deal w/ jerry west to S&T swift+a filler contract they don't want for the $10 million TE. making the team: PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/1st round Draft pick SF: Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick(same player) PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens if we have to deal w/ memphis than the most likely unwanted contract/players memphis trade are Andre Emmett(sg) and Antonio Burks(pg) making the team look like this: PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores/Burks(IR) SG: Jrich/Pietrus/Emmett(IR) SF: Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys(IR) C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens
PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/1st round Draft pick SF: Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick(same player) PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens Oh man I am pumped. Not as pumped as the trade throwing in Posey or Battier, but getting Swift would make this team a lot more exciting and competitive. Swift is raw, but man he's like Kmart at times. Speedy, Jrich, Pietrus, Murph, and Swift is a team built for speed. Yes, Murph can run forward pretty quickly, but he's not great laterally and he can't jump high. Man I vote this thread ***** 5 stars!
oops my bad, i forgot posey out of the lineup, so it would be: PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/1st round Draft pick SF: Posey/Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick(same player) PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens or PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores/Burks(IR) SG: Jrich/Pietrus/Emmett(waived) SF: Posey/Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys(IR) C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Map1986:</div><div class="quote_post">oops my bad, i forgot posey out of the lineup, so it would be: PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores SG: Jrich/Pietrus/1st round Draft pick SF: Posey/Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick(same player) PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens or PG: Speedy/Fisher/Flores/Burks(IR) SG: Jrich/Pietrus/Emmett(waived) SF: Posey/Pietrus/Cabarkopa/1st round draft pick PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys(IR) C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens</div>Swap Williams for Fisher too . . . that's a big one! PG: Speedy/Williams/Flores/Burks(IR) SG: Jrich/Pietrus/Emmett(waived) SF: Posey/Pietrus/Cabarkapa/1st round draft pick PF: Murphy/Bierdens/Najera/Humphreys(IR) C: Swift/Foyle/Bierdens This team gets the GSWScruff seal of approval:
Just to play Devil's Advocate on Stromile Swift. First off, he still has not justified being the 2nd overall pick in his draft 5 years into his NBA career. The main reason he's never reached his potential is because Swift has a poor work ethic. Just like T-Mac & Vince Carter, he doesn't play hard in every game, and he disappears on the court. Last season he got off to a good start, but then found himself in the doghouse and his numbers and confidence dropped. This year Swift is putting up the similar numbers, and is still struggling to find consistent playing time. When he's had a chance to play 25+ minutes, Swift is making the most of it, but you have to wonder in the back of your mind if he's going to continue developing after a big payday or does he pull an Erick Dampier? Also will he be content as a backup with the Warriors? He's always complained about playing time since he's been with the Grizzlies backing up Gasol and Wright.
^I don't really agree with that, but you have probably seen more Grizz games, but I'd like a fast center who can rebound, block, and score down low and the times I've seen Swift play, he always does that. I would do him anyday
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">I would do him anyday</div>Kinky
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">I would do him anyday</div> That doesnt sound too good
'scuse me but Swift is 6-9,not bulky,and Murph or Biedrens would fit better at C,he is streaky. He would be good to have but do not overpay. If Paying Jamison big bucks wasn't going to work,paying swift that kind of dough is way out. The Posey + Battier thing has merit as both work on D. If I was looking for a C in a deal,a guy of interest would be Tyson Chandler- however I don't expect we get him without paying too high...they gave Brand to get him. Chandler lacks bulk but Shaq moved East,and that could be a speed lineup
^Swift may be small, buut how long has it been since we have had a guy that scores down low all the time? A year, but Swift is quick and if we could give him the job at C, we could be pretty good. We get rid of DD and Cliff, and the depth charts for center look like this, C: Stromile Swift/ Adonal Foyle/ Andris Biedrins Also Biedrins could play PF as well so we could have him be the third string center and the second string PF. Carparkapa is more of SF and he could be third string PF
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">^Swift may be small, buut how long has it been since we have had a guy that scores down low all the time? A year, but Swift is quick and if we could give him the job at C, we could be pretty good. We get rid of DD and Cliff, and the depth charts for center look like this, C: Stromile Swift/ Adonal Foyle/ Andris Biedrins Also Biedrins could play PF as well so we could have him be the third string center and the second string PF. Carparkapa is more of SF and he could be third string PF</div> Swift isn't really a down-low scorer, although he has some game in that department. Think of him like a Kenyon Martin player without the defense. He gets a lot of rebounds in the minutes he plays because of his althleticism , strength and speed. He will become a deadly weapon in the open court game if you get him a good point guard that recognizes the floor and can convert fastbreaks successfully. I don't know if Speedy is that type of point guard night in and night out, but we know that Fisher certainly is not. I think his signing makes sense if we have a Jason Williams, Nick Van Exel, Andre Miller, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, or some other point guard with a great vision of the court, excellent passing skills and is known for making three on two or two on one fastbreaks successful. Our running game kind of sucks, mostly because we can't capitalize on turnovers and we don't make enough defensive stops like the Nets used to do. Most of Stro's attacks will come when he's quicker than the other guy handling the ball or reacting to the play faster than the guy assigned to keep him off the glass. He's that quick and tough to keep out of the lane on offense. He is amazing athlete and that's his greatest mismatch against players much bigger than him, plus he can get fouled a lot of times because of it. He is a player that will get a lot of rebounds, block shots, and hit some midrangers, but don't expect him to be feared on defense. If we ever do get a point guard at least as good nick van exel's passing, he will be an exciting player to watch because of the alley oop plays, but I dunno if he's what we want when Murphy is our guy and he doesn't play defense like a center or a power forward should. If Biedrens can prove to be the defensive stalwart off the bench, than I guess I could see it working, if we have that point guard known for making fastbreaks and points off turnovers are pretty much sure thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post"> Golden State trades: C Dale Davis (2.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.7 minutes) PG Derek Fisher (10.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 3.8 apg in 26.1 minutes) SF Mike Dunleavy (11.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 31.6 minutes) Golden State receives: Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Raef LaFrentz (10.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.2 minutes) SG Ricky Davis (14.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.8 apg in 32.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: +0.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.9 apg. PG: Speedy Claxton/ FA or Draftee/ Luis Flores SG: Jason Richardson/ Ricky Davis/ Draftee SF: Mickael Pietrus/ Ricky Davis/ Draftee/ Zarko Carparkapa PF: Troy Murphy/ Raef LaFrentz/ Zarko Carparkapa C: Steromile Swift/ Adonal Foyle/ Andris Biedrins/ Raef LaFrentz Drool...</div> You gotta be KIDDING me :-o Swift isn't really a down-low scorer, although he has some game in that department. Think of him like a Kenyon Martin player without the defense. I disagree ... I've seen some of his games and he looked fine ...
Swift can and has had some fine moments and some solid games..so have Foyle and Robinson and a lot of others we might sign or deal for,but this team really needs guys who are ALWAYS on their game,or,at the least players with upside who work hard and learn fast. If the Warriors get cap space they have to be careful to really make it count. How come Lorenzen Wright isn't in these trade talks? He is 6-11 and a bit underrated. If I'm okay with a 6-9 Center I'd try for Etan Thomas,who plays solid D
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BALLIN IN AZGS:</div><div class="quote_post">You gotta be KIDDING me :-o Swift isn't really a down-low scorer, although he has some game in that department. Think of him like a Kenyon Martin player without the defense. I disagree ... I've seen some of his games and he looked fine ...</div> Yeah he looks fine if he's blocking shots, but part of being a good ball player is reading the offense and knowing where to be to anticipate. Sometimes he's not where he is supposed to be. He's sometimes raw, but he's definitely starting material with the experience he's accumulated thus far and the fact he can be a handfull to keep off the glass. I hope Jerry West wants Dunleavy for him because we could use a player that can run with the best of them and maybe we can get Wells, Posey, Mike Miller or anyone of those small forwards. We can't get Battier, because he's Memphis' team leader and most valuable team player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah he looks fine if he's blocking shots, but part of being a good ball player is reading the offense and knowing where to be to anticipate. Sometimes he's not where he is supposed to be.</div> I meant that too ... He reads the offence pretty well from what I can tell ... but then again ... I can be wrong
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BALLIN IN AZGS:</div><div class="quote_post">I meant that too ... He reads the offence pretty well from what I can tell ... but then again ... I can be wrong</div> It could be effort as well. It's like Jrich's consistency on offense/defense. He's not great laterally and doesn't anticipate well, but he still could be a good defender if he tries hard at all times. That's why I think guys like Cliff Robinson are true professionals in that they understand their role and they take pride in helping their team by playing tough defense. Look at Shane Battier or Luol Deng: good knowledge of the game, not that athletic, probably won't be superstars but they are tough on defense and can contribute a little on offense by playing physically or with finesse. I'm only wishing Dunleavy could have been the same type of Dukie and then I wouldn't mind his inconsistent contribution on offense. Again, not saying he's a bad player or was purposely taking a shot at him (but he just came to mind when I remembered that Deng and Battier were Blue Devils), but he's a bad defensive player even though he claims he isn't. People on the wing have to contain outside shooters and penetrators like a pro or we'll just wind up with 2nd highest opponent fg% in the league and the worst in the western conference, especially with Jrich who is inconsistent on defense and Murphy who won't try to play help defense if it means he fouls out of the game early because he's too slow to get there. He's tried in pre-season, but to no avail. Anyway, I still like Stro because you can't teach those hops, he's exciting, he will get more consistent on defense like Jrich has, he's got a reliable midrange game now, we always need shotblockers that can beat their man down the lane and he's hard to keep off the glass. Perfect for the running game. We have no choice but to run, unless Mullin gets a surefire low post presence that can draw fouls, is a putback machine and draw double teams.
