Of all the things said and posted in here, and you're going to call out that as a personal insult that doesn't create dialogue? ok And technically, it's attacking the post, not the poster.
I mostly agree with all of this. I’m not opposed to free education at all really, but they really need to implement that before throwing money around. If they fixed the root problems then I wouldn’t be opposed to debt forgiveness for the people who are left over. One fix now doesn’t help the kids enrolling tomorrow, it just perpetuates. It’s a systematic problem. And unfortunately offsetting these costs to people who can’t even afford college themselves doesn’t make a lot of sense.
electricians and plumbers have been taxing me all my life....my wife and I gave the last stimulus check directly to the plumber..took him all of 6 hours to earn it replacing a water main under my cabin......plumbers and electricians have made bank from the working class....your point doesn't address the issue.....my son has a degree, I have a degree....neither of us started our careers making plumbers wages...plumbers and electricians make lawyer money...I earned my degree by serving my country....my son earned his on an academic scholarship....you didn't pay for either of our degrees...we did with our own hard work
it's the weird way that conservatives pit people against other people, and the GOP likes to imply that making 150k a year is "lower middle class".
Ok, plumbers and electricians make good money, I was really trying to make a bigger point than that. I’m not opposed to free education, that would fix the problem. I just don’t think band-aiding it with a random payout is a fix. The problem persists after that. And offsetting those one time costs to people who can’t even afford college themselves doesn’t make sense. Fix the problem then we’re all paying for something we have access to.
This was probably to ambitious and might have been a political stunt to get more out of the stimulus negotiations. The college education cost is a growing problem but our government doesn't do anything till it's crisis mode so i don't expect much on this front for awhile.
I never claimed to have payed for you or your son’s degrees. That’s not what I was saying at all. I don’t want to negate any hard work or effort you put in to an education. I know it’s not easy. I just think there’s a larger problem that needs addressed that’s throwing money for a one time temporary fix.
Everybody can go to community college cheap...sometimes free other than books...I got my SLEP certificate to teach second language students in Hawaii going to night school after teaching public school all day for a living....my classmates were almost all middle aged Fillipina women looking to teach second language skills...many worked on ginger farms and were first generation immigrants...night school is always full of first generation americans trying to get ahead and from my experience, few are privileged to begin with...people don't become teachers with delusions of great wealth but it would be great if teaching didn't mean being saddled with great debt...if you really want to cut govt costs....schools aren't where you trim fat....military expenditures are.
This government throws money at all kinds of shit that doesn't help me. It would be nice if for once they did something that would help me. Oregon gets one of the worst returns on our tax dollars in the country.
I don't disagree with jonnyboy's overarching point that a more sustainable, continuing fix is needed. One-time student debt forgiveness feels a bit like one-time amnesties for immigrants--I don't think it's a bad thing in isolation, but it does nothing to solve the ongoing problem. But in terms of kick-the-can-down-the-road policy, I'd rather ones like these, where actual people get helped, rather than "unless it solves everything, we really can't do anything." Universal higher education (i.e. government-paid) isn't happening anytime soon--the median congressperson isn't going to support that. Student loan forgiveness itself is probably on the outer edge of what's possible and it helps people more than...nothing.
This is my take and I don't understand why people get all up in arms if someone else got a better deal than them. Shit it's not like free school is free for anyone who goes, you have to give up at least 4 years of your life and earning potential to do so and you had to bust your ass to do well. Lots of people work and manage a family at the same time. Half the people that get upset over "free school" didn't want to go anyway. Simple math also shows that everyone benefits from our country being a leader in education, technology, finance, and military. We should be paying people to get an education, not charging them. It's such backwoods yesterday logic to suggest anything different.
With how much money we piss away on a military that's completely unnecessary, you'd think we could drop a little coin on actually helping our own people.
The ongoing problem is education being run like a for-profit business. Gouging the fuck out of young kids.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...with-progressive-democrats-is-officially-over JOE BIDEN’S HONEYMOON WITH PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS IS OFFICIALLY OVER With his announcement that he “will not” cancel $50,000 of student loan debt, Biden commenced the first battle with the progressives who helped to elect him.
bullshit title to that article....Joe was always the moderate candidate...the guy who could compromise and work across the aisle....what is over is the Bernie Sanders voting base thinking Joe is Bernie....most of us know damned well he's not. and it's the independents that put Joe in office, not the hard left wing...actually Trump put Joe in office
Well, it's not that he isn't being pressed: https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsr...on-to-cancel-up-to-50000-in-student-loan-debt Warren and Schumer Statement on Why President Biden Can And Should Take Executive Action to Cancel Up to $50,000 in Student Loan Debt Washington, DC - United States Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) today released the following statement on student debt cancellation: "Presidents Obama and Trump used their executive authority to cancel student loan debt. The Biden administration has said it is reviewing options for cancelling up to $50,000 in student debt by executive action, and we are confident they will agree with the standards Obama and Trump used as well as leading legal experts who have concluded that the administration has broad authority to immediately deliver much-needed relief to millions of Americans. An ocean of student loan debt is holding back 43 million borrowers and disproportionately weighing down Black and Brown Americans. Cancelling $50,000 in federal student loan debt will help close the racial wealth gap, benefit the 40% of borrowers who do not have a college degree, and help stimulate the economy. It's time to act. We will keep fighting."
