I regret that I didn't walk with the protesters in the deep South in the 60s and get myself thrown in jail for sticking up for a whole class of deeply disadvantaged.
For any purpose, or only those with which you agree? You would support kids walking out to protest schools being gun-free zones, or to demand allowing teachers to be armed, if they believed in that cause? You would support kids walking out to protest homework? Or to demand longer lunch periods, or permission for 18-year-olds to smoke marijuana on campus? Does the purpose of the walkout at all impact your support for the students engaging in civil disobedience to demonstrate their right to peaceful protest?
Remo+ 8+ The law says I have to be 16 years old to get a drivers license. The law says I have to be 21 years old to purchase and consume alcohol. The law says I have to be 21 years old to purchase a hand gun. The law says I have to be 18 years old to vote Why do those laws exist? We have restrictions in our lives all the time. When I was first growing up and driving and even well before me, it was pretty common for people to drink and drive until a group of women formed an organization called MADD that changed the laws and increased the pressure to make it more punishable to drink and drive. Laws are being made all the time Brian. This is what MADD has accomplished since their inception in 1980 50% less drunk driving deaths 370,000 lives have been saved 840,000 victims have been helped Imagine if people just sat back and said oh well, we don't need to change anything. MADD never wanted to take alcohol away just like gun control advocates don't say take guns away.
That isn't even a worthwhile discussion when you put homework and gun safety as similar. People aren't being killed by homework in record numbers but they are being killed in record numbers by guns.
absolutely....but smoking pot is a bit different from studying under threat of armed attack don't you think? If you think the NRA hasn't lobbied for gun sales and profits for many decades...you're wrong....what makes their lobby any different from a student protest....should the blacks in the deep south who protested segregation be arrested for using the wrong restroom? protests lead to major changes often....don't muzzle these kids or water down their intentions with something like we don't want homework anymore and want to party at school.....many of them just watched classmates being murdered....
I'm not in favor of muzzling anyone. As I said in my first post in this thread, my issue is with the notion that students who engage in civil disobedience should be absolved of consequences. The civil rights protesters in the 60's accepted the consequences of their protests, because they knew their goal was worthy of any consequences they might receive. If these students are of that same mind, then they should be willing to accept those same results. I support students' right to protest, as long as they're willing to take whatever punishment should normally accompany those actions were they undertaken outside of a protest.
I'm not putting them at the same level; in fact, I'm setting them as a contrast because they're not at the same level. What I'm asking is whether your support for student protest is universal, or if it is based upon your approval of the cause. Of course, I also see that you conveniently ignored the first two examples I gave, which directly relate to the issue at hand.
I would be interested in knowing exactly how many of them actually care and how many are just doing it to do it because you know, trends...
In many cases this meant death...and to answer your question...I'm sure all the students who march today are well aware of the consequence of challenging the system...but in my view, they have every right to challenge it. If they protested for the right to bear arms in the classroom, I'd respect their right to protest as well...I just wouldn't cheer them on because I disagree with that concept...go to an abortion clinic and see that people are outside every one protesting daily and often harassing clients at the clinic....protests are ongoing in America and across the globe..I support the kids in their activism and we all pick and choose our battles most often accepting the consequence of our action...I lived through the Vietnam war and civil rights era of the 60s...some did it right and some did not..many of us learned though...
In the 60s we found that many who just followed the groups in protesting came away from the protest with life changing experiences....so maybe some are just there because their girlfriend is but that doesn't take away from the kids who actually are invested in the issue...every protest has leaders...not all are Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr
I used to drink and drive often. Three times I've been stopped by policemen who damn well knew I was drunk. One had me follow him home even though I was dead drunk. Another right here in Lake Oswego let me go near my home. I think he was a kid I used to know when I was about 7. He later became the chief out here. The third policeman was in Florida and told the three of us 19 year olds who bought our beer out of a drive through vending machine (25 cents per can back then), to go home carefully which we did. Now, I seldom drink and when I do I never drive. My wife also seldom drinks (maybe once a month and we have one or two) and she also never drives when she drinks. Times are different. I used to laugh at jokes that poked unmerciful fun at African-Americans and now I wouldn't do that for anything. Yeah, times change and the rest of us need to keep up. By the way, when is the last time you told or laughed at a dumb blond joke?
Obviously I meant legal consequences. Agree completely--precisely my position as well. Our positions on the issues may differ, but our views on protest are perfectly aligned.
So then, it has less to do with the type of joke than the purpose? Jokes to demean Laker fans are OK?
Ding, ding, ding, you've hit on the one exception to the demean rule. It's always fair game to demean Lakers fans.
