Stupid Question about Grant

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah...I missed that "feels like an overpay" qualifier. I agree completely
     
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    I don’t think any contract is good for him. He’s not a winner. He doesn’t do the little things our team needs to win
     
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    Like attacking the paint and getting to the FT line, I guess that's a big thing
     
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    Yep. He does good things. Just not the things this team needs
     
  5. PtldPlatypus

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    Ok... but you don't want this team to attempt to win right now, do you? Don't you want the team to rebuild? How would letting a player--who (as you said) does good things--walk without getting anything for him be better than signing him to a reasonable (read: tradeable) deal?
     
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    Don’t want to win now?

    618 games
    265 wins
    353 losses

    How do I not want to win now. He’s not a guy you win because of
     
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    definitely kind of a high wire act to not only anticipate what is the optimum 'tradable' contract but anticipate what will be tradable 2 or 3 years down the line. As you pointed out, when people hear 5-year/150M they tend to go bonkers. But the starting salary would be 26M; and that's only 19% of the cap and 16% of the tax margin. The 3rd year of the deal, when it would b 30M, is the first year of the new media contracts and I'm already seeing salary cap projections of 175-180M for that year. Grant's salary would be less than 17% of the cap.

    Ant's salary was 18% of the cap this season and about 17.8% next season. Grant was better than Ant this season.

    I keep hoping that just once, the Blazers will sign one of their free agents to a bargain contract. They never did it with CJ; didn't with Powell, didn't with Nurk and Ant. I guess too much to hope they do with Grant
     
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    I'm not disputing that. I'm asking why you think it's better for the team to let him walk for nothing than to sign him to a deal they can later trade for an asset.
     
  9. Mediocre Man

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    At 30+ million he’ll be virtually worthless when we would trade him
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

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    Which brings me back to my original question--given the parameters we've already agreed upon (that Grant won't help the team win, and the re-signing him would solely be for the purpose of converting him into a usable asset down the road), what level of contract do you think would be reasonable for Grant? That is to say, if 30+ million makes him "virtually worthless", is he worth something (to other teams) at 20 million? 24 million?
     
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    I think 4 yrs 100 mil is fair for what he brings
     
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    I say 4/100 is team friendly

    > 4/120 overplay

    Somewhere in between is what will likely happen. Hopefully, 4th yr is team option

    His allergy for rebounds bothers me but I'm for keeping him w/o overpaying, if Dame stays
     
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    good guy, good shooter, solid defender, horrible rebounder and we NEED rebounding/size badly
     
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    Grant and Dame both picked up their rebounding considerably after Hart was traded.
     
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    Or rebound, or box out...
     
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    There are really good players in the league that don’t really help teams win (Russ, Melo, LaVine) He’s one of those guys. He might be a decent player on a team where he’s the 3rd or 4th option. Some teams out there will like him anyway (look at Portland) So while I wouldn’t sign him at all, the $ amount doesn’t really matter, I guess because some team might think they are a player away and trade for him regardless of salary
     
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    Grant played 8 games after Hart was traded and averaged about 5 a game, so (considerably) might be an overstatement. Our Lillardputian pg however averaged 7
     
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    Saying Grant can play SF may or may not be correct, it depends who the PF is. It needs to be a very mobile guy, a defensive guy and ideally a good rebounder. That's not a common archetype of player.
     

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