Lots of trade ideas floating around the internet. Found this one interesting. Portland trades, Crabbe, Turner, Butters and a draft pick or two to the Nets for Brook Lopez. Adjust as needed. Lopez is an expiring next season, so the cap is clear when it is time to re-sign Nurkic and Vonleh. Nets reset with younger talent.
I didn't specifically say Sean Marks, I said BRK. He may be the GM, but they still have the same owner that got them in this current mess. Marks has only been there a year, so it's hard to evaluate his impact as a GM. He hasn't made any catastrophic moves, but he did sign several players to guaranteed contracts that didn't make it through the season before he turned around and waived them. For a team trying to get younger and rebuild, he overpaid some over the hill vets and then ended up cutting them. He gave guaranteed contracts to Anthony Bennet (who three other teams had given up on in three years), Greivis Vasquez (who was injured at the time and had to be bought out after 39 minutes of playing time), Luis Scola, Yogi Ferrell (who he turned around and waived a month after giving him a guaranteed contract). All these moves only cost about $11 million total, but that's $11 million that was pissed away on players who didn't even make it through half a season with the team before being waived. Granted Marks is cleaning up someone else's mess, and that's the problem, BRK is a mess. That's why they attempted to overpay Crabbe. They really don't have any assets or any other way of acquiring players. It's not Sean Marks' fault BRK is a mess, but they are a mess none-the-less. BNM
Maybe he was just trying to make the league salary floor. They are now at 86 mil. The minimum is 84.7 Next year they will be at 65 mil. So they will have some room for our players.......
No. Perhaps you didn't bother to read anything after the first paragraph. I also specifically answered your question: "Of all the contracts to shed, why shed the one that is...". Whether Crabbe is 3rd, or 4th, doesn't change the reasoning. He is still paid more than the other 4 top 5 3-point shooters in the league combined. You can get what Allen Crabbe gives you for a WHOLE lot less money. And, given our pending luxury tax problem that's a huge incentive to trade him. BNM
We would relegate Nurkic to the bench or bring a $20M player on an expiring contract from the bench, which would essentially mean we got a 16-18 mpg player in return for 1-2 picks, Crabbe, Turner and Leonard? Basically a salary dump.
Once again, WHEN DID THOSE OTHER GUYS SIGN THEIR CONTRACTS? Such a misleading argument it's ridiculous.
Why does that matter? Did you not read my post? You don't need to go out and grotesquely overpay a free agent to give you what Crabbe gives us. CLE picked up Korver in a trade this season and he's better than Crabbe - still. Porter and Harris are still on rookie contracts. Great, we have three draft picks, then either trade one of them for a cheap vet and/or draft a couple of sharp shooters and see if one pans out. Pull a guy like Jordan Crawford from the D-League. Overpaying for a one trick pony like Crabbe is just plain bad cap management. BNM
- Give them Harkless too. - Have them send Lopez and Lin to Milwaukee with us getting Middleton. -Maybe get Kilpatrick's $1.5M back as well. - Give Milwaukee Aminu as sweetener. -Then offload Davis Then you have Lillard/McCollum/Middleton/Nurkic As well as max cap space. Overpay Millsap. Lillard McCollum Middleton Millsap Nurkic
Why does it matter? Because in 5 years the only top shooters that won't be making what Crabbe is making are guys on rookie contracts (and those guys will be in the minority) And you can write "Crabbe is one dimensional" a thousand more times and it still won't make it factual.
You're probably Crabbe's biggest fan. He's not good at anything. His shooting doesn't even make up for his deficiencies. I'd rather have someone shooting 37% from 3, and have a more rounded game. While he may miss 1 more three for every 15 attempts, that player would stop more buckets, create more for himself, and rebound better, while likely being cheaper. Crabbe is worth $8M, not $18M.
With three first round draft picks, hopefully one of those top shooters on a cheap rookie contract will be wearing a Blazers uniform. There will always be cheap vets and D-Leaguers or G-Leaguers available that can knock down an open 3 for a fraction of what Crabbe is making. Just go back and look at the top 3-point shooters by year. Sure, there are guys like Steph Curry, who is far from one dimensional, but every year there are guys like Jerryd Bayless, Steve Novak, Matt Bonner, Kyle Korver, Ersan Ilyasova, Marko Belinelli, Anthony Morrow, etc, who are in the top 5 that are neither overpaid, nor on a cheap rookie contract. Most of those guys are exactly like Allen Crabbe - a bench player that can knock down an open 3. The difference is most of them never made more than the MLE once in the entire career. Even accounting for last summer's inflation, Crabbe is grotesquely overpaid compared to other 3-point specialists, and he will continue to be for the life of his contract. Other than spot up shooting, what does Crabbe do better than average? He's a weak rebounder, a non-existent passer and a terrible defender. He can't create for himself, or for others. What is his 2nd dimension? BNM
Lets compromise while keeping it real. Crabbe is an elite 3pt shooter. No doubt about it. He has slightly improved his side step and shoot and a step in and shoot, but he has yet to show anything consistent when it comes to driving by guys to the hoop. He hasn't shown anything special about his passing(mostly because he gets passed to and then shoots). His defense is above average but nothing to write home about because he reaches in too often rather than moving his feet to get in front.(This is fixable) His rebounding is below average (don't care about average for the position) when he is bigger than our other guards and they still out rebound him. In today's NBA, I would put his value at $12 mill. Not a penny more.
Disagree about Crabbes rebounding. He is a very good rebounder. He grabs more impressive boards than any of our guards/wings outside Aminu. He's got great length and he uses it. It doesn't look impressive on a stat sheet but also remember that our system doesn't allow anyone outside of our center to crash offensive boards. But look at his numbers in March. He's averaging over 3.5 rebounds a game. That's not nothing, especially for a backcourt player that comes off the bench.
Okay, Ill play. So lets say his rebounding is average per the league. So he is an elite 3pt shooter who rebounds average, average D. Cant drive to the hoop and cant pass. Not worth $18 mill. Still worth $12 mil, no?
His defense is not above average. He's the worst defender on a very bad defensive team. He is NOT a 3 and D guy. He's a 3 guy. In a summer of bad contracts, Crabbe's was one of the worst. Sure, Noah and Parson's are worse, but that's due to injuries. Is there a more overpaid healthy player in the NBA right now that Allen Crabbe? Maybe Timofey Mozgov, but even that's debatable. They are two very different players, but Mozgov gives you defense and rebounding and makes $2.5 million a year less than Crabbe. Whether Mozgov's contract is "better" or worse than Crabbe's really doesn't matter, if you're contract comes up in the same conversation as Mozgov's, you know you're overpaid. As far as last summer's spending spree, it was still possible to get bargains that give you what Crabbe does (or more) for a a lot less money. Seth Curry - 2 years at $3 million/year, 3FG% = .420, PER = 15.4 Dion Waiters - 1 year at $2.9 million/year, 3FG% = .394, PER = 14.5 Anthony Tolliver - 2 years at $8 million/year, 3FG% = .406, PER = 11.1 Courtney Lee - 4 years at $12.5 million/year, 3FG% = .407, PER = 11.7 Mareese Speights - 2 years at $1.4 million/year, 3FG% = .381, PER = 18.4 Just because there were a few really bad contracts doesn't make Crabbe's somehow less bad. And sure, we were't the only ones to miss out on bargains like Seth Curry, but we are the only ones paying Allen Crabbe $18.5 million a year. BNM
Oh good lord, you have got to be kidding me. Crabbe has a TRB% of 5.6%. Do you realize how anemic that is for a player his size? Damian Lillard - TRB = 7.6% C.J. McCollum - TRB% = 5.8% Evan Turner - TRB = 8.2% Shabazz Napier - TRB = 6.1% Evidently, our system isn't hurting everyone's rebounding, just Crabbe's. Kyle Korver, who is 35-years old and plays on the same team with LeBron James, Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love has a higher TRB% than Allen Crabbe. Playing with those three, I'm surprised Korver gets any rebounds at all, but his TRB% of 5.8 is higher than Crabbe's. And before you even try to tell us Crabbe is a good passer: Allen Crabbe - AST% = 5.8 Meyers Leonard - AST% = 9.0 Meyers Leonard is nearly twice as good as Allen Crabbe at creating for others. Again one-dimensional. You're grasping at straws to try to find something, anything that Crabbe does better than average. Unfortunately, no such thing exists. BNM
