I don't really consider myself a Crabbe apologist, but it's not obvious to me how good of a player Crabbe would be as a starter with a starter's responsibility and a starter's number of shots rather than a bench player. Regardless, he's got to go, and hopefully everyone has understood that since the day he re-signed. Olshey didn't want to lose an "asset" for nothing. So, the idea is to flip him for cap space and a pick, or for a decent player who makes much less. That's part of Neil's responsibility this summer.
Hardly rebounding, hardy stealing the ball, hardly passing. And his 3% is elite, but his 3pt makes are far far far from elite (pretty much same average 3s with Joe Harris for example). Only 1.6 which is pretty much what he can find wide open. If he could create his shot and take this to 2+ then he would be really something (still not worth 18M, but something). Turner has been pretty underwhelming too so whoever brings back the most has to go.
His rebounding isn't average. It flat out sucks. I haven't checked every player, but I'd be surprised if there is a worse rebounding rotation player in the league over 6'3". His 5.6 TRB% is about average for a 6'0" PG. Tim Frazier plays with Anthony Davis and Boogie Cousins and even with those guys gobbling up all the rebounds, Frazier still has a higher TRB% than Allen Crabbe. I could go on. It's easy to find PGs that are better rebounders than Crabbe. What's hard is finding guys who aren't PGs that are worse rebounders. Edit: OK, I just did a comprehensive search, and Crabbe isn't the worst rebounding rotation player in the entire league for his size. He's 3rd worst. Only Evan Fournier at 6'7" TRB% = 5.4% and Devin Booker 6'6" TRB% = 5.0% are worse. There are also a handful of 6'4" and 6'5" SGs that are worse. BNM
why do you say that, the cap starts to level out very soon so the idea that a shooter like Crabbe will be cheap in 5 yrs seems a farce, its about 94 mil this yr Report: NBA also reduces projected 2018-19 salary cap to $103 million, estimate for 2017/2018 is 102 mil, that was from a Feb 2017 article
The thing about Crabbe is I have seen him make some strong rebounds in traffic. So it is not an issue that he can't be a good rebounder. He has the length to do it. Maybe they want him to stay on his man on the perimeter instead of crashing the boards? or maybe Terry wants him to break down court? Hard to say why his numbers suck. PG's are often good rebounders because their man often attacks the basket and they are in good position for the long rebound, plus they need to hang back and get the outlet pass.
Some Nugget fans are actually trying to console themselves by saying Portland is going to be royally screwed in luxury tax payments if they resign Nurk. Portland is going to have to do something like package Leonard, Harkless and a 1st for some crappy player over-paid player whose contract is expiring, or to a team that could absorb it. LIke Leonard/Harkless and a 1st to the nets for Booker. Harkless and Leonard combined would be about enough to pay for Nurkic without going deep into the tax, and we'd still have Turner/Crabbe to play the 3.
That brings up a question of why any other team would trade for him. And if they won't, then why not keep him, at least until his contract is short enough so maybe someone would trade for him. If Paul Allen needs to pay a lot of luxury tax until then, so be it.
Exactly. People get excited about 3pt%, but don't take into account if those players are shooting assited open shots or are if they are having to put up more contested shots since they are carrying a scoring burden for the team (like lillard and cj). Damian Lillard is a better shooter than Crabbe, even though his 3pt% is much lower. 98% of Crabbe's 3pt shots are assisted, as opposed to 51% for Damian.
Why would the Nets do that? All 3 of those guys are massively over-paid. Why not just keep Lopez? Crabbe, Turner, and Leonard combined make like 47 mil. I have a hard time seeing any team wanting take on any of them.
I'd like to see Olshey trade Meyers Leonard and one of the following two players having more trade value: Evan Turner or Allen Crabbe. However, I'm not sure what he can get in return for them.
Getting 1 pick for Lopez and 1 pick+Crabbe for taking on Turner. They like Crabbe. Leonard won't matter to them. That's the logic.
There were several Nets fans that were in favor of trading Lopez for our 3 salary dumps and draft picks. Many neutral fans thought it was a good trade or close to being good for both teams. Including one whose view I respect. The Nets future looks very bleak and they need help. The Nets do not have their own first round pick until 2019. Between our players and a first round pick or two from this draft, they can at least field a young team that might win a few more games. If the trade was made, this would probably be the biggest salary dump in NBA history. Of course I have no Idea how the two GMs feel about this trade idea. But I thought it was an interesting bold idea.
The problem is if we just move Meyers, we will not be under the luxury tax threshold. Even if we dumped him on a team under the cap for a future 2nd round draft pick, we'd only be about us about half way there. We'd need to move at least one more sizable contract. BNM
Because most other teams aren't in the same luxury tax hell we are. Many will be under the cap this summer and several will even be under the salary floor. Some also view Crabbe as a potential starter, and he could start for some of the worst teams in the league like BRK or PHI. So, overpaying him is must less consequential to them. In POR's case, it's not just about the money, although that starts to add up really quickly (do you really want a player like Allen Crabbe costing you over $100 million a year?), it's about the other penalties associated with being over the "apron" - the point $4 million above the tax threshold. Right now, we're projected to be $20 million over the tax threshold, it we do nothing, for the 2017-18 season. Declining Ezeli's team option get's us to about $14 million over the tax threshold, or $10 million over the apron, and that's without adding anyone to take Ezeli's roster spot. Being over the apron means you lose your bi-annual exception. It also means the amount of your MLE goes down. There are also much tighter restrictions on trades you can make. Basically, it makes it much harder to make roster moves to improve your team. And, then there is the higher tax rate for repeat offenders. If we keep Crabbe as long as you suggest, we will be in repeater tax territory even if we don't resign Nurkic or Vonleh. A team that is a repeat offender that is $20 million over the tax threshold pays $4.75 for every dollar they are over the threshold. If we keep Crabbe, his salary in 2018-19 will be $19,332,500. At the repeater tax level we would be at, not even counting any raises Norkic and Vonleh get, Crabbe's contract would cost the team $111,161,185 per year. I can see Paul Allen shelling out that kind of dough to keep Damian Lillard, or maybe C.J. McCollum, or possibly Jusuf Nurkic, but $100 million a year for Allen Crabbe, no way. We need to cut a shit ton of salary and we need to do it before next February's trade deadline and Crabbe has the biggest contract other than Dame of C.J. He needs to go, and if we want to resign Nurkic and Vonleh, Turner and Leonard will likely need to go before the 2019 trade deadline as well. We already have two max players in Dame and C.J. Nurkic will likely be a third, or at least close to it. You just can't have a bench player making nearly $20 million a year when you have three other max. contract players on your roster. BNM
