What about this? WAS Gets: Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st Round Pick, 19th Pick, POR Gets: Otto Porter, Jason Smith (TPE), Lance Thomas (TPE), 15th Pick, NYK Gets: Maurice Harkless ATL Gets: 24th Pick, 38th Pick, Al-Farouq Aminu, Damyeon Dotson WAS saves $30M per year in salary, gets future 1st, moves down 4 slots, and gets a 1st round selection from last year. NYK sheds Thomas's contract and get a guy they like in Harkless for the price of a couple 2nds ATL adds a PF that they need, a young project, and a 2nd round pick to move down from 19 to 24. We add a great 3-and-D wing for a 1st, double down on the final year of a couple of bad contracts using our TPE, and move up 9 picks in the draft. Draft Khyri Thomas 15th Sign Ersan Ilyasova MLE Lillard / Thomas McCollum / Thomas Porter / Turner Collins / Ilyasova Nurkic / Davis
Another Porter idea: ATL Gets: Leonard, Aminu POR Gets: Porter, Plumlee (TPE) WAS Gets: Swanigan, Layman, 2019 POR 1st, (Maybe 2021 POR 1st?) Washington saves $23M in yearly salary, adds a 1st as well as a late 1st from last year in Swanigan for Porter. Atlanta swaps Plumlee for the cheaper Leonard, adds a cheap, expiring PF (they have little depth there). Draft Hutchison 24th Sign a backup PF for MLE And then once LeBron leaves CLE: Turner and Future 2nds for Hill Lillard / Hill / Baldwin McCollum / Hill / Connaughton? Porter / Harkless / Hutchison Collins / Ilyasova? Nurkic / Davis Top 5 bench, possibly the best defensive bench in the league. Porter and Collins give good floor spacing and defense.
Let’s ignore the fact that this trade doesn’t work financially. Portland isn’t going to give up Aminu for trash, he’s too important to the team. Plumlee is an even worse contract/player than Leonard, and you want us to throw in one of our starters as well? What? Washington would have to be nuts to give up Porter for the three essentially non assets you listed. In past threads you suggested trading an expiring Ed for a first round pick. You think he has the same value as Otto Porter? Yes they have Oubre, but he isn’t anywhere near Porters level as a player and hes still on his rookie scale contract. That trade wouldn’t make them better, and you don’t salary dump an asset like Porter. They’re also looking for more athletic bigs, so they’d most likely have little to no interest in Biggie.
How does is not work financially? So Washington isn't going to trade Porter to us because he's good, and were not gong ti trade Aminu for trash? Huh? Theyre thrown in to mange salaries match for Porter. Swapping Leonard for a worse contract player but one that fits in the TPE means no money coming in and only Leonard's salary going out. Part of the deal for Washington is that they save around $20M. They have Oubre and they'd have their full MLE in. Ed is underrated.. I suggested a team with a bottom 5 first round pick trading for Ed and a future early 2nd (MIN/LAL). I'm suggesting trading two 1sts for Otto and saving Washington $20M. That's the core of the deal.
Why are you still arguing about a trade that’s literally impossible the way you’ve constructed it? We can go in circles about the rest but what’s the point
I'm not sure it's impossible, it actually raises a question I've had for a while, and you haven't stated which part doesn't work financially. ATL Gets: Leonard, Aminu POR Gets: Porter, Plumlee (TPE) WAS Gets: Swanigan, Layman, 2019 POR 1st, (Maybe 2021 POR 1st?) Portland Outgoing Salary: Leonard ($10.60M) Aminu ($6.96M) Swanigan ($1.74M) Layman ($1.54M) Outgoing Salary = $20.84M (125%+$100K = $26.15M) Portland Incoming Salary: Porter ($26.01M) Plumlee ($12.50M)* Incoming Salary = $26.01 (less than $26.15M) *Plumlee acquired via Traded Player Exception so his contract doesn't apply But this raises a CBA question I've had for a while @hoopsjock. Can you bring in more that $5M in incoming salary if it's within 125%+$100K? The CBA words it in extremely confusing terms and the trade machine just applies 125%+$100K. If 125%+$1ooK applies here, then the trade works If a $5M max difference applies, then the trade doesn't work by a grand total $170K...
If it doesn't work, we could try a few other things that still result in Washington saving $20M-$25M (I'm pretty sure they want to avoid the tax, and getting picks could allow them to shed other contracts to create max cap space. ATL Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, Future 2nds POR Gets: Otto Porter Jr, Miles Plumlee (TPE) WAS Gets: Jake Layman, 2019 POR 1st, 2021 POR 1st I like that better actually, and it definitely works cap wise. Atlanta pays an extra $5M on a bad contract they don't want in order to get a couple 2nds and a young PF in Swanigan (they have Collins at that position and that's it). Washington saves even more, saving around $25M in this deal while getting two draft picks. We get Otto Porter, keep Aminu, and bring Harkless off the bench.
Either way, we need to find a way to land Otto Porter Jr. He's exactly what we need at the SF position. Good defender, very efficient 3rd option (50/44/83 - TS% of 60%). Washington is in a weird spot, and they got Kelly Oubre in the pipeline and might want to get rid of Porter's contract for some assets. The 3-team deal I proposed above is perfect IMO, for us, for them, and for Atlanta. But either way, we gotta figure out a way to land him.
Why would Washington do that? That’s a straight salary dump for a starting SF, maybe the hardest position to fill with quality in today’s nba. Why would Atlanta take on salary for Evan Turner and a backup? Turner has zero value and Swanigans is limited. Those late seconds are almost worthless. They could buy them for less.
I think you're wrong about Turner. While he's been in a shooting slump lately, he usually deadly with those post up turn around jumpers.
I hate his turn around jumper almost as much as I hated LAs top of the key jumper. I don’t know the numbers, but both seem inefficient.
Seems like a lot of their fans want Porter gone so they can upgrade their depth. I'm gonna start with the Turner thing: You're looking at Turner by himself. You gotta realize they have an equally useless player in Miles Plumlee for $12.5M that they're sending out. They'll have apx. $26M in cap space with no one wanting to sign there. One of those 2nds would be the 2019 Best of MIN/LAL which could be an early 2nd to add someone like Dillon Brooks or Jordan Bell. So the question is, would Atlanta pay an extra $5M over the next two years to add Caleb Swanigan and have a chance at drafting someone like a Dillon Brooks or Jordan Bell? I think the answer is yes. Washington would do that because they likely want to avoid the luxury tax, and are currently projected to be $5M above it. They have Oubre as a replacement, who's developing well and deserves a starting role and could possibly replace Porter's production for only a fraction of the the cost next year. Not only that, they would also have a lot more flexibility at improving the team. They'd have two future 1sts along with a $25M trade exception, which could be used to land a legitimate star at the deadline next year (Paul George or Kawhi Leonard?) I believe they could also use the full MLE this summer. Not sure if they'd have to renounce their trade exception. Either way, they could sign someone like Ellington who could replace Oubre's bench role (Satoransky is 6'7 so he could guard SGs and SFs since Ellington is small). They could also draft someone like Kevin Knox to replace Oubre's bench role. They could also try to make max cap space to go after someone like Cousins (who played with Wall in college and is still friendly with him). They would have a plethora of picks to attach to guys like Marcin Gortat ($13M), Jason Smith ($5M), Jodie Meeks ($3M), and especially Ian Mahinmi ($16M). It's obvious that the status quo isn't going to work. They're kind of in the same position as us and could be looking to retool and add that legitimate 3rd star they need. This would allow them a pathway to do that, and the worst case scenario is an increased role for the rapidly developing Oubre, no luxury tax and huge savings, as well as future picks.
