<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>We blew the Lakers out twice with Raja and Kobe had some bad shooting games but let the excuses continue.</div>Games? More like one game.Kobe against raja in the regular season13-26 39 points12-33 37 points19-33 51 pointsThat's an average of 42 points on 48% shooting. Yeh, kobe had some horrible shooting nights... Sike. 2 great shooting preformances and one average shooting preformance does not equal "games"Speaking of raja, he is the most overrated defender in the league. The man gets torched for 51 then comes out with "I did my job".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's the one elbow everyone keeps talking about. Kobe threw numerous elbows. We blew the Lakers out twice with Raja and Kobe had some bad shooting games but let the excuses continue.And yeah, Kobe didn't really mean to hit Childs. The one game suspension was fair with all the calls the Lakers got the entire series. Yeah Raja threw him down but that's not any worse than hitting someone with an elbow when they are running right at you.</div>What kobe did to mike miller was payback. Mike miller elbowed him and made him bleed. It caused a wound. Kobe came back and elbowed him back. Period. What raja did was different. Kobe gave him soft elbows and kobe was punished for them within games. Raja kept on flopping with contact and kobe got called for offensive fouls. The elbows kobe hit with raja were weak. Raja however, responds with not an elbow but a clothlesline. That's taking to another level.Also, wow you sound like a big whinter. It doesn't matter if it's a one sided affair. Clotheslining doesn't have a place in the nba. That's dangerous stuff man. You have yet to admit what raja bell did was dangerous. What kobe did on Mike miller was stupid and he deserved a suspension but it put Miller in no harms way.Really there's no use in arguing with you. You're not going to admit he is a dirty player.edit: No-one is denying kobe hit bell. Kobe did. But the elbows were soft. Raja flopped and got kobe into foul trouble. Kobe was punished for them. Offensive fouls. Raja bell then took it to another level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 15 2007, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Games? More like one game.Kobe against raja in the regular season13-26 39 points12-33 37 points19-33 51 pointsThat's an average of 42 points on 48% shooting. Yeh, kobe had some horrible shooting nights... Sike. 2 great shooting preformances and one average shooting preformance does not equal "games"Speaking of raja, he is the most overrated defender in the league. The man gets torched for 51 then comes out with "I did my job".</div>Kobe shot 33% twice in that series, Raja did enough. BTW, 12-33 shooting is a good job by Raja. It's about 35% and he took so many shots in that game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 15 2007, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What kobe did to mike miller was payback. Mike miller elbowed him and made him bleed. It caused a wound. Kobe came back and elbowed him back. Period. What raja did was different. Kobe gave him soft elbows and kobe was punished for them within games. Raja kept on flopping with contact and kobe got called for offensive fouls. The elbows kobe hit with raja were weak. Raja however, responds with not an elbow but a clothlesline. That's taking to another level.Also, wow you sound like a big whinter. It doesn't matter if it's a one sided affair. Clotheslining doesn't have a place in the nba. That's dangerous stuff man. You have yet to admit what raja bell did was dangerous. What kobe did on Mike miller was stupid and he deserved a suspension but it put Miller in no harms way.Really there's no use in arguing with you. You're not going to admit he is a dirty player.edit: No-one is denying kobe hit bell. Kobe did. But the elbows were soft. Raja flopped and got kobe into foul trouble. Kobe was punished for them. Offensive fouls. Raja bell then took it to another level.</div>What Raja did was payback too, and you don't know that the elbows were soft. He didn't get any cuts because it's hard to make your cheeks bleed but he was bruised and I'll believe him on that now that we all can see that Kobe did hit him. He got out of the way, that's not really flopping. Again, would you not move if I got you it the face with an elbow? Clothelining is no more dangerous than using an elbow(stronger than a fist) to someone's face when they are running towards you. That has no place in the league either. I do admit that Raja does some dirty things but Kobe is just the same, the difference is you always have excuses for what he does no matter what it is. If Kobe took Bruce Bowen, kicked him in the balls and smashed his face in his knee I'd bet you'd all be like "w/e, he had that coming to him! Kobe didn't do nuthin wrung!"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (G=K @ Jan 14 2007, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lakers fans are 100x better than Phx Fans and we have better GFX artists</div>Who cares about gfx we still have a better record.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phxsunsfan77 @ Jan 15 2007, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares about gfx we still have a better record.</div>He was making a joke.EDIT: and team record has nothing to do with the fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 16 2007, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe shot 33% twice in that series, Raja did enough. BTW, 12-33 shooting is a good job by Raja. It's about 35% and he took so many shots in that game.</div>Bias aside, raja was not the reason why kobe had them horrible games. I know kobe's game. I know when someone plays good defense on him. Bruce bowen last year played amazing d on kobe. But in the playoffs and even un-biased suns will know, kobe was missing easy ones especially in game one. Kobe makes them usually. If kobe was forced to take shots he didn't usually take then raja played good for forcing him into a bad situation. Kobe simply missed ones he usually makes. If you watched kobe, you'd realise it. The real good defenders force kobe into shots he usually doesn't take. Raja didn't.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What Raja did was payback too, and you don't know that the elbows were soft. He didn't get any cuts because it's hard to make your cheeks bleed but he was bruised and I'll believe him on that now that we all can see that Kobe did hit him. He got out of the way, that's not really flopping. Again, would you not move if I got you it the face with an elbow? Clothelining is no more dangerous than using an elbow(stronger than a fist) to someone's face when they are running towards you. That has no place in the league either. I do admit that Raja does some dirty things but Kobe is just the same, the difference is you always have excuses for what he does no matter what it is. If Kobe took Bruce Bowen, kicked him in the balls and smashed his face in his knee I'd bet you'd all be like "w/e, he had that coming to him! Kobe didn't do nuthin wrung!"</div>Oh shut up. You make up all these assumptions. It's quite annoying. I already said kobe deserved to be suspended for his elbow against mike miller. Dirty play.However, what happened in the playoffs was absolutely different. The elbows were soft. Especially the one you showed, kobe's elbow softly hits raja. Raja is also minimally impacted because he flops and moves out of the way before full contact is made. Thats how you know it was a soft connection to the cheek.Really man, you need to stop making up stuff and trying to make me look like a kobe-nut riding biased homer. I see what I see. I saw kobe elbowing raja. I saw kobe clotheslining. And imo, they are not the same whatever you might think.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bias aside, raja was not the reason why kobe had them horrible games. I know kobe's game. I know when someone plays good defense on him. Bruce bowen last year played amazing d on kobe. But in the playoffs and even un-biased suns will know, kobe was missing easy ones especially in game one. Kobe makes them usually. If kobe was forced to take shots he didn't usually take then raja played good for forcing him into a bad situation. Kobe simply missed ones he usually makes. If you watched kobe, you'd realise it. The real good defenders force kobe into shots he usually doesn't take. Raja didn't.[/b]Oh shut up. You make up all these assumptions. It's quite annoying. I already said kobe deserved to be suspended for his elbow against mike miller. Dirty play.However, what happened in the playoffs was absolutely different. The elbows were soft. Especially the one you showed, kobe's elbow softly hits raja. Raja is also minimally impacted because he flops and moves out of the way before full contact is made. Thats how you know it was a soft connection to the cheek.Really man, you need to stop making up stuff and trying to make me look like a kobe-nut riding biased homer. I see what I see. I saw kobe elbowing raja. I saw kobe clotheslining. And imo, they are not the same whatever you might think.</div>I guess we disagree then. Whatever. But you really don't know if they were soft unless you were on the receiving end. Raja wouldn't do something that could've hurt the team for nothing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess we disagree then. Whatever. But you really don't know if they were soft unless you were on the receiving end. Raja wouldn't do something that could've hurt the team for nothing.</div>He didn't do it for nothing. He did it because he is an idiot and is extremely sensitive. He was mad about these elbows and then went out and complained about Phil talking smack. He said these were his reasons, as if that were a good excuse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 16 2007, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess we disagree then. Whatever. But you really don't know if they were soft unless you were on the receiving end. Raja wouldn't do something that could've hurt the team for nothing.</div>I guess I'll explain it again.Kobe threw the elbew. Let's assume kobe put full force into it. Raja still didnt' recieve the brunt of it because he moved and flopped to the floor. That is why I don't think it was a strong elbow.Also, raja's clothesline didn't really hurt his team. They won game 6.edit: Yes, lakersfan247 brought up a good point. Phil jackson told Raja he f*cking deserved the elbows. If I remember correctly, phil denied but he did admit saying something to raja. The reason why he said that is because raja had been flopped against kobe all season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 15 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He didn't do it for nothing. He did it because he is an idiot and is extremely sensitive. He was mad about these elbows and then went out and complained about Phil talking smack. He said these were his reasons, as if that were a good excuse.</div>He isn't an idiot and wouldn't do it for soft elbows either. Bryant went crazy after 1 incident this season but Raja kept it in for a long time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 15 2007, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess I'll explain it again.Kobe threw the elbew. Let's assume kobe put full force into it. Raja still didnt' recieve the brunt of it because he moved and flopped to the floor. That is why I don't think it was a strong elbow.Also, raja's clothesline didn't really hurt his team. They won game 6.</div>I know it didn't hurt the team but it could have to lose a starter, especially when our depth wasn't good at all. And we still needed to win 2 more so that could've hurt the team. That was a quick elbow so I'm sure it hurt and there were more elbows too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He isn't an idiot and wouldn't do it for soft elbows either. Bryant went crazy after 1 incident this season but Raja kept it in for a long time.</div>When has Kobe "went crazy" this season?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mikster100 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's get unbiased opinion from other fans then</div>Good luck finding one. When it comes to the Lakers specially with Kobe you are either going to like them or hate them. :happy0144:
What the hell is this? This isn't the WNBA okay? So stop the elbow bullsh**. Who gives a flying butt-F*ck about elbows. Players did that sh*t all the time in the 60's and 70's you know, back when MEN actually played. Not these pussy ass babies we got today.Anyway, on the subject of fans:Suns fans are very supportive to their team. Makes sense, they are kinda fun to watch. Laker fans are often accused of being lazy or too laid back, but that's just because over the years Laker fans have come to expect a certain level of play out of their team (just like Yankee fans). When a team has 46 winning seasons, 53 playoff appearances, 36 trips to the WCF, 28 trips to the Finals, more wins than any other team, the highest alltime regular season and playoff win percentages, 93 playoff series victories, 14 NBA titles and 15 Hall of Famers, the fans tend to get a little bit spoiled. However, Suns fans are lucky in a way that they get to experience the excitement of a fun season and great run that Laker fans have grone to overlook. Laker fans don't even care about basketball until June anyway.Suns fans are rowdy and loud and enjoy watching their team. A fact is that, it is mainly a status symbol to be seen at a Lakers game. Hence all the f*cking celebrities. Lakers do have many great fans but, like I said, their expectations can be a little high at times.
