<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Tough loss, I really wanted them to win but at least we lost respectably and proved we can play. Another great game by Monta, very solid games again by Dun, Pietrus, and Biedrins. Murphy also did very well rebounding in his limited minutes and Barnes was ok too. Phoenix lived by the three tonight, there wasn't a whole lot we could do. As for the last shot, we really didn't have much better option than to go to JR. He had to hit a 3 off the dribble and after a pump fake which adds to the difficulty plus he doesn't have all his legs under him. If Murphy was in it would have helped alot because JR could have passed it to Murph for a spot up shot after the pump fake (much easier than JR's shot), I really have no idea why Biedrins was in.</div> As far as Suns living by the three, Barbosa and Bell were wide open when we chopped into that 9pt. lead. It's pick your poison with the suns. The reason Amare did not play a lot was because you guys went to the zone, thus D'Antoni put in the 3-ball shooters. I was also happy as hell that Dunleavy did not shoot that ball at the end, I thought for sure he was going too. Great Game, very entertaining. Monte's dunk made my jaw drop, that was crazy. It reminded me of Amare when he used to posterize people and get the crowd all fired up. Great Game thx for giving us our first road win
<div class="quote_poster">Kensaku Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was entertained and encouraged by the effort of the short-handed and injured W's.</div> It's hard not to be optimistic when we give the Suns a run for their money with a thin bench and young players.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://files.filefront.com/monta_ellis_sla...;/fileinfo.html Monta's poster on Barbosa!</div> Thx for the link!
<div class="quote_poster">openglfx Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow Dunleavy shooting that one? Man they'd boo his ass out of town, heh. Heartbreaker it is. Still early in the season, I hope we get redemption the next time we face em. I totally agree, damn Steve Nash! I double damn him!</div> Dun was the reason we stayed in the game! He hit some clutch shots..
All in all I am not too disappointed in the loss. Granted, we definitely could have won, but especially with Baron being out I am happy. We fell apart in the end though...
The key to this season is Baron IMO. Even though Murphy got a rebound per minute, I swear we play better without him. I mean defensively we do. We still have bouts where we stand around a bit on offense, but I think between him and Biedrins, we set better picks with Biedrins and we also crash those offensive boards/block more shots with Pietrus/Biedrins frontline than we do Murph/Dunleavy. Plus, Dunleavy is a smart player. He'll view the tempo of the game from the bench and he'll decide what he's going to do once he's subbed in.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The key to this season is Baron IMO. Even though Murphy got a rebound per minute, I swear we play better without him. I mean defensively we do. We still have bouts where we stand around a bit on offense, but I think between him and Biedrins, we set better picks with Biedrins and we also crash those offensive boards/block more shots with Pietrus/Biedrins frontline than we do Murph/Dunleavy. Plus, Dunleavy is a smart player. He'll view the tempo of the game from the bench and he'll decide what he's going to do once he's subbed in.</div> No worries: Mickael Pietrus is winning the starting PF spot...lol...5 blocks!?! What is going on here? Pietrus is only behind Biedrins for rebounds and blocks per game for this team. Pietrus desperately wants a big contract or he is just having a brilliant season and is ready to start competing and winning. Pietrus in the last four games where the Warriors have gone with Baron(McLeod vs. Suns), Monta, Jason, Mickael, and Andris as the starting line up he has averaged 19.5 points, 8.75 boards, 1.75 blocks, 1.5 assists, and 1.25 steals. Not too bad especially by shooting 53.2% from the field. I am actually hoping that Ike Diogu can return soon, because I think he would be putting up good numbers like Pietrus. I am eager to see Baron/Monta(Jason)/Pietrus/Ike/Andris on the floor/starting. I think Murphy is becoming very expendable right now.
The next step for the Warriors is to beat divisional opponents. It's going to be an extremely difficult ride to the playoffs if the Warriors continue to struggle to defeat the Lakers, Suns, Clippers, and the Kings. Granted there is little more that could be asked for from the Warriors in the last game; they still need to find somehow to rack up the wins against these teams, especially against a struggling Suns squad. So far though, this season has been a good treat and fun to watch. It's hard to complain too much, these guys are playing so well. They will need a player like Baron Davis or Jason Richardson to be healthy soon to really help this team down the stretch in games. Ike coming back and being the great potential scorer he is would be helpful soon as well.
Pietrus is the PF of the future! lol Did you see that block he had on Marion?! Marion is so much longer than Pietrus. I have no problem signing Pietrus to a deal larger than Dunleavy's if he keeps this up all season long, unlike Dunleavy... Dunleavy actually is finding a nice niche on this team providing points and ball handling off the bench. Too bad his contract is starter money...
<div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Pietrus is the PF of the future! lol Did you see that block he had on Marion?! Marion is so much longer than Pietrus. I have no problem signing Pietrus to a deal larger than Dunleavy's if he keeps this up all season long, unlike Dunleavy... Dunleavy actually is finding a nice niche on this team providing points and ball handling off the bench. Too bad his contract is starter money...</div> I think the problem with that is Dunleavy isn't a good ball-handler. He makes a nifty pass once in a while, but overall he makes poor pass decisions and puts absolutely no zing on the ball. For a guy who is labeled with a "high bball IQ" he makes some brain-fart passes, one-handed flip passes and ill-advised cross-court passes. He had 6 turnovers last night and several of those were just pansy-passes with no snap. I guess Dunleavy's "ball handling" is often emphasized because it's a novelty that a 6'9" guy can actually dribble the ball. But make no mistake, Dunleavy is not a good ball-handler, and I'd much rather have a PF who can play PF -- rebound, block shots and score down low. I'd rather have a point guard play PG lol. And yeah, based on what JRich, Murph and DUn got, Pietrus will be garnering 6 years, $100 mil the way he's been playing. If Dun got 9 mil a year for 11 points and 5 boards, what do you pay a guy who gets 20 points and 10 boards?
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the problem with that is Dunleavy isn't a good ball-handler. He makes a nifty pass once in a while, but overall he makes poor pass decisions and puts absolutely no zing on the ball. For a guy who is labeled with a "high bball IQ" he makes some brain-fart passes, one-handed flip passes and ill-advised cross-court passes. He had 6 turnovers last night and several of those were just pansy-passes with no snap. I guess Dunleavy's "ball handling" is often emphasized because it's a novelty that a 6'9" guy can actually dribble the ball. But make no mistake, Dunleavy is not a good ball-handler, and I'd much rather have a PF who can play PF -- rebound, block shots and score down low. I'd rather have a point guard play PG lol. And yeah, based on what JRich, Murph and DUn got, Pietrus will be garnering 6 years, $100 mil the way he's been playing. If Dun got 9 mil a year for 11 points and 5 boards, what do you pay a guy who gets 20 points and 10 boards?</div> http://www.derrickpapp.com/clips/warriors/...eavyscolded.avi Here's a clip of Dunleavy being scolded for a bad pass by Nelson "Miiiiiiiiike!!! Hey! I don't need any passes like that!"
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the problem with that is Dunleavy isn't a good ball-handler. He makes a nifty pass once in a while, but overall he makes poor pass decisions and puts absolutely no zing on the ball. For a guy who is labeled with a "high bball IQ" he makes some brain-fart passes, one-handed flip passes and ill-advised cross-court passes. He had 6 turnovers last night and several of those were just pansy-passes with no snap. I guess Dunleavy's "ball handling" is often emphasized because it's a novelty that a 6'9" guy can actually dribble the ball. But make no mistake, Dunleavy is not a good ball-handler, and I'd much rather have a PF who can play PF -- rebound, block shots and score down low. I'd rather have a point guard play PG lol.</div> I've had enough of 6-9 Dunleavy. He is too inconsistent to continue giving the money to. Maybe he will play well enough so someone will be willing to make a trade for him. Likely, we'll have to take a questionable contract in return. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And yeah, based on what JRich, Murph and DUn got, Pietrus will be garnering 6 years, $100 mil the way he's been playing. If Dun got 9 mil a year for 11 points and 5 boards, what do you pay a guy who gets 20 points and 10 boards?</div> I don't think Pietrus is the answer, but we still have time to evaluate. Maybe with him we go down to his contract season next year and see what kind of offers he gathers. He would be okay keeping at five years $20 - 25 million range. My idea of a PF for this Warriors team is Hakim Warrick. He's a young, athletic PF who's been putting up some numbers for the Grizz this season, so they may not be willing to trade him anymore. He can drain the mid-range J and run the floor. I'd give up Ike for Warrick.
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't think Pietrus is the answer, but we still have time to evaluate. Maybe with him we go down to his contract season next year and see what kind of offers he gathers. He would be okay keeping at five years $20 - 25 million range. My idea of a PF for this Warriors team is Hakim Warrick. He's a young, athletic PF who's been putting up some numbers for the Grizz this season, so they may not be willing to trade him anymore. He can drain the mid-range J and run the floor. I'd give up Ike for Warrick.</div> Pietrus IS in his contract year right now And I say we give Diogu a real chance before we mention him in a trade.
I think Dunleavy's a good passer, ballhandler for his size, but that's about it. He's not really a thread the needle kind of guy on the move like a real point guard or shooting guard. He can do the crossover, behind the back dribble, he keeps the ball low, and let's not forget he's a better ballhandler than Jrich, who is supposed to be a shooting guard. The problem is Dunleavy's just too damn slow and he's not taking advantage of hand checking rules and his size sometimes. It's like he avoids contact all together unless it's to take a charge or when he's looking to get the foul at the rim. Dunleavy IMO is more gifted when others move off the ball or he's trying to initate something by driving a little (if the slowpoke can) or bounce pass from the top of the key to the inside man. But... we have no inside man except for the kind that like to cut to the rim rather than post up near the blocks. A lot of it is floor spacing and communicating with teammates. A bad pass is sometimes the result of two people not reading each other rather than blaming one guy. Sometimes the perimeter can get really crowded when guys aren't getting deep position inside. They start hanging around where the perimeter is and everyone on defense stays inside so there's nowhere to dribble to. They want guys like Dunleavy, Murphy, Pietrus, Jrich and Baron to shoot it. If they go in hard against traffic, they'll just clobber him and make one of them 70% freethrow shooters have to score points at the line one by one. I'm not sure about locking up Pietrus. He's productive and all, but we'll see how he fits when we start looking at moving him to shooting guard or small forward. I mean he could be like a Gerald Wallace to us later on. It's both good and bad. I'd rather have Pietrus than Dun that's for sure. But not over Ike, Ellis, Biedrins.
Yeah -- I value (and have valued for over a year) Ike, Monta, and Beans over pretty much anyone else on the team. It's easy to just get enamoured with the young players, especially when teams have yet to make adjustments on them. I remember after Pietrus had some initial success, people were saying that he made JRich expendable. Well, we all know how he slumped in subsequent years. But with that said, I remember when I first saw Monta play, I started comparing him to Allen Iverson and people were calling me crazy. I just saw a special gift and raw speed that few players ever show at any level. Now, I'm sticking by that comparison. Of course, we have yet to see how his body holds up, how he handles pressure situations, how he responds when teams start game-planning for him, pushing him to his weaknesses (if he has any -- what, going left? Passing inside? Undersized?) It's a reach even trying to find a weakness with this kid so far. Monta's best asset, besides his speed and hops, is his humble attitude. THAT is the one thing I'm most concerned about -- not letting things get to his head. If he can keep that humle love for the game, the sky's the limit. I still stick to that AI comparison. The only difference is that Monta can dunk over 7 footers.
Our guys played hard and that's the best you could ask from them. If they lose again in the exact same fashion, then that's inexcusable but they are kids and will make mistakes. I thought the defensive rotations defending the three point line was awful. Jason has never been good in this respect and last night was totally lost. That was the hardest pill for me to swallow. Dunleavy actually looked good, Biedrins looks very good, Montay Ellis is a stud and Pietrus is very solid. I'd like Ike and Baron back SOON but we have to deal. Wow, Don Nelson is LIGHTYEARS better than Monty. Sorry but I had to say it.
Montgomery's system didn't work for these guys and might not have worked in the nba unless he could've secured guys that play more like a team rather than one vs one and everyone standing around waiting for it. Imagine Jerry Sloan coaching the Warriors right out of college, it totally goes against his style of halfcourt movement and what his experience is. We figure Sloan's got the upside as a coach because he's Jerry Sloan, but he needs HIS players, not dumbass Fisher who can't run the break and him chucking threes at the point guard position. Maybe Fisher doing that is okay if we got some dribble penetration or inside presence... But the point guard and center spots were mullin's players and obviously Mullin jacked up and got the wrong coach to coach his kind of players. The kinds of guys he picked and signed seem to be more catered towards small ball with Fish at the two, Foyle to protect Murphy and the others, but they tried to play halfcourt for Murphy and Dunleavy's benefit because they were kind of slow. I'll give any HOF coach the benefit of the doubt that the roster was so mixed up, it had no identity when it came to playing only the guys with huge deals. I'll give Mullin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to scouting out talent he did a good job. But just like Foyle, can either Montgomery or Mullin do something good besides just one thing??? We saw Monty and his brilliance for inbound plays. We see Mullin for his talents he stole out of the second round. But what else have they done? Both guys needed to have done more just like Nelson is doing now. In this warriors situation they have to do more and be more dynamic. Nelson is that guy. Mullin probably would've stood pat and see where this team went because he had no choice, but he also probably wanted to save the embarassment of Montgomery saying that Foyle was his starter. I mean he can't call the coach crazy because who signed Montgomery for x years? Who signed Foyle for 5 years and grossly overpaid him like Jerome James? This year was all about Nelly because Mullin did such a poor job of assembling a team before the ink on those new contracts even dried. Nelly would have made a better GM because unlike Montgomery or Mullin, he knows what he has from experience. And plus, having played different styles althroughout his career he knows that bad big man teams need small ball and that half court teams need inside presence and guys who can shoot, catch, move, space the floor, and defend. Heck, a bball novice could have seen that Murphy/Foyle inside with Dunleavy/Jrich/Fisher just does not work in the halfcourt or open court. And that is why positions like guard and center/power forward are so important because they bring balance to the team for creating plays inside and outside. If we had a small forward playing shooting guard, a small forward trying to play guard that sucks at starter, a shooting guard trying to play point guard but cannot even run a fastbreak, a power forward that plays no D and shoots outside jumpers, and a center that can't catch or make a simple offensive play, it's impossible for that coach to win with that slow paced style or even running. Nelson will tell Mullin kindly, FU Mullin, you're 2004 debacle is catching up with you only after two years, and you need more balance in the lineup to have any form of identity. It's about inside and outside presence and if you got nothing but small guys to form inside presence, then go with it. don't waste money on guys with limited roles in their intended positions. Montgomery don't try to waste your offense on guys that can't run it because there are guys that mishandle the ball in the post, guys who stand still or chuck it when there's 20 seconds on the shotclock.... This whole thing was like pouring salt in the soup without tasting it first to see if needed more. But nope, everything was committed in 2004 like it was going to be a playoff team for sure, especially with rookie coach with a style that did not fit because the players don't fit his system (except for out of bounds plays that were pretty). I know I'm harsh on Mullin, but damn he just seems like such an idiot when it comes to everything outside of drafting. He is the Foyle of Gms. Great person, great at one thing as GM like Foyle only being a shotblocker, can't do much of anything else because he's too raw and he's known for only one skill. Nelson is like the point guard of coaches. He's all-around in coaching, but has the run n' gun style and he knows a team needs to play enough defense to force turnovers so that we can run the other way. He also knows that we need tough offensive rebounders similar to maybe Najera/Fortson/or what Popeye Jones used to be. Montgomery was like a one dimensional jump shooter that was good in college, maybe he had hidden talent if he got the right guys in his court. But in the nba, a coach needs to be more dynamic because he is not the boss (the GM is) and a little more "in control" personality in front of players. He's too used to dealing with smart, polite, gentleman jocks that don't have tattoos, guns, millions of dollars, egos, or below 1000 SAT scores. Now thank God we don't have players with guns and tattoos, but we do have egos and below 1000 SAT scores I bet. A college coach with an effective motion offense system probably would have done well if he had guys like Josh Childress, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy, Ike Diogu in their third years. If they are rookies, he would not give them a chance until he felt they were mentally/physically/team-chemistry type ready. That's just the way he is and we're all too impatient to stick with that stuff. I'll give any coach the benefit of the doubt nowadays even with Musselman and his 2 point 4th quarter against Toronto. Montgomery and his not calling timeouts soon enough and not playing the odds when it comes to fouling the shooter before he gets outside the arc to tie the game with a three. The GM and his selected guys are completely responsible for the situation we're at now and Mullin knows this. He is in hot water. Probably why he needed Nelson back to hide the booze again. We're just lucky we have Baron Davis because of that time when our contracts happened to match Portland's when NVE wanted out. Then we had Dale Davis who saved the day when it came to expiring deals. Plus, we know Mullin wasn't going to stick with Speedy Claxton as a stop gap for starting point guard because of how he signed Fisher. Anyway, sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm freakin' tired. Peace!
Well, that Baron Davis deal turned out to be awesome, IMO, and I'm sure there are many GMs who were too conservative at the time to try it who are now thinking "damn, Mullin got a sweet deal"
