Don't need a new party to do all this. For all the shit we heap on them, GOP is super united and always backs their candidate, regardless of how radical they are.
I am saying that if there is a centrist party - some of the republican voters might consider voting for it when the GOP candidate is as distasteful as Trump is.
I think there is a fair amount of we picked our team and were loyal to our team with the GOP / Conservative crowd. I'm not sure we see that as much with the left but still quite a bit. I'm not sure what's better having a Democratic party that is clearly divided amongst the "progressives" and moderates that seem to dislike each other to the point they don't want to show up if the other side is getting their way. Or two parties, but IMO a third Party gives options and voice to ideas and helps conversations.
Also, a third party may not get elected as president but a viable third party or progressive party with a lot of support could affect local governments and bring about changes from the ground up instead of from the top.
The democrats are making the exact same mistake that they made four years ago. It's eerily similar to when they put up John Kerry. You can't run a milquetoast candidate against someone charismatic. They thought they could beat Bush in 2004 because everyone hated him, and yet...... they didn't. The Republicans made this mistake as well when they put up Romney against Obama. Biden won't win, and it sucks because I don't like Trump at all. Not really a fan of Sanders or Warren either though. There aren't any good politicians anymore.
I disagreed with Obama quite a bit, but I think he was a good politician. I actually personality-wise really liked him. Which personality is pretty important as a politician.
I also think there is a divide among GOP voters between fiscal conservatives and religious conservatives - so I really do not think that the GOP is as united as people claim.
Hold on, you think Trump is charismatic? There are some very good politicians out there. Bernie is terrific, save for his label of socialist which I wish he hadn't so explicitly embraced. A ton of the House members on the impeachment trials were awesome. Eric Swalwell and Patrick Maloney were really good. Schiff was too. And I think Cory Booker dropped out too quickly. There are potential candidates to save this party, but they clearly didn't have the resources or internal support to pursue the presidency.
I agree that I really liked Obama as a person. Truly a classy guy and a classy family. Very likeable. With that said, I didn't care for him much as a leader and I thought a lot (or most) of his decisions were poor ones.
Voter turnout, in my estimation, will determine the result of this election. A vote to abstain will only help the GOP.
Indirectly Corona virus and collapse of stock market hurt Sanders. When people feel unsafe they tend to turn to the familiar, less likely to take risks. Could also explain why non white male candidates struggled. People felt more secure when Obama was president, so Democrats had a choice between a woman and a Jewish democratic socialist, while Republicans nominated an ignorant inexperienced white supremacist. A former VP is a safe choice.
Hard to be excited about Biden. Especially with the Bernie Bros being all mad now, we'll see what happens in Nov with turnout, but I think a lot of them are turned off now
I agree with this. One of the reason I left both parties was because I didn't like how hard line they were on policies & social issue. I approved and disapproved on issues from both sides. Ive been interested on the libertarian thinking as I'm progressive with social issues but still conservative when it come to budgets and size of Government. I also believe consumers/individuals these days, with instant information and more consumer smarts, can keep in check a healthy capitalist, mix economy, free market system. Competition propels innovation and gives the consumer more options with pricing and good, better, best selections. Some want Volvos and some want lower priced cars. The freedom to not only choose but the motivations to prosper is the American Way.
That seems a stretch to me, crandc. Biden was pumped up by the consolidation of the centrist voter through Klobuchar and Buttiegeg shutting down their campaigns. Warren didn't do Bernie the same favor. Also, Bernie's progressive agenda was never going to play well in Southern states.
Only 13% of democrats aged 18-29 voted yesterday. This is the easiest explanation for why Bernie lost. Warren dropping out and endorsing would have helped a bit, but not nearly as much as people simply showing up.
