That's terrible imo Yes, Leonard can either look lost while not playing any helpside defense or look lost while being dunked on. Lots of possibilities
Agreed. There are reasons why NBA teams favor staggered substitutions over hockey style line substitutions. It permits them to have 2 or 3 of their best 5 players on the court at all times. Unless you can convince every other team in the league to adopt a similar strategy, you are going to have 5 bench guys playing against 2 or 3 of your opponent's best players, who will totally exploit the situation. BNM
Terrible? Because really, minus Crabbe thats the lineup that went 15-6 was it? Terrible? What other options do we have really? Those are the lineups. how they are subbed in and out wont change the terrible... so how do you come to that conclusion?
I swear I beleive I recall the Jordan bulls doing this and our Drexler Blazers. But Ive been searching, I cant find anything that looks like it would give any info on such things. I can find roster lineups and what not, but not subbing info. I seem to recall even watrching a couple of highlights recently where you cna see all five bulls coming up off the bench to return to the game. Kerr/Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Longley?
Kerr wasn't the starting guard opposite Jordan, Ron Harper was. The fact that we know Jordan passed to Kerr for a game-winning shot in a Finals game shows that starters and reserves did get mixed. To be fair, that's an end game situation where Kerr was most useful but my recollection of Bulls game was that Pippen and Jordan, individually and together, played plenty of time with reserves like Kerr, Kukoc and others.
Are you sure that wasn't the players returning to the court in unison after a time out/commercial break? Or, perhaps it was just Phil playing his pseudo-intellectual mind games by yanking all five starters if they weren't playing well. Pop has done that on occasion, bench all five starters to send a message, but I don't recall any team doing it on a regular basis, as part of their standard rotation. BNM
Thats right Harper. But wait, I'm not saying don't ever mix them up. Im just saying id like to see the starters come off the floor together. And Mainly this is so Dame and CJ are together. I do not believe we need CJ playing with the second unit as much as we had him doing so last year. Maybe I am wrong. I sure thought we did the same thing with Porter/Drexler/Kersey/Buck and Duck.
You can go back and look at box scores from that period. It won't tell you exactly who entered the game when but if your theory is correct, shouldn't all the starter play approximately the same number of minutes and then the top 5 bench guys all also play equal minutes? Any game where only 9 players played would make such wholesale substitutions impossible for that game. I'm not that interested in combing through ancient box scores, but the first pace I'd look is that 1990-91 squad that won 63 games. That was the deepest team of that era. That year all 5 starters averaged between 31.0 and 34.8 MPG, but Clyde averaged almost 2 more MPG than any of the other starters. Where your theory seems to break down is the playing time of the bench. Uncle Cliffy and Danny Ainge averaged 23.7 and 21.4 MPG, which meant both players spent significant time playing with the starters. Mark Bryant was 8th in minutes at 14.7, followed by Walter Davis (post Drazen trade) at 13.7 and Danny Young at 12.0. Due to the disparity in minutes among the bench players and the fact that Cliff and Danny both played significant minutes with the starter, if Rick was doing whole line substitutions, if would have been the exception rather than the norm. In any case, even if that did happen 27 years ago, it has little bearing on NBA substitution patterns in 2017-18. NBA teams all stagger their substitutions so that, other than garbage time, they almost always have at least two, and usually three starters on the floor. The NBA is a game of runs and you're less likely to be the victim of a 21-0 or 23-2 run if you have at least 2 or 3 of your starters on the floor at all times. BNM
Even with C.J., who is great at creating his own shot, our second unit has struggled to score for as long as I can remember. Right now, we basically have the same bench we had last year, minus Crabbe, our leading bench scorer. If the second unit struggled with both C.J. and Crabbe out there, how are they going to create offense without either om the floor? BNM
I said in another post, they don't need to. If we use the starting five as assembled, they should be one of the most potent offenses in the league. The focus of the bench should be to be stoppers. Prevent the other bench from catching the score back up after our starters got us a lead. I hear what you are saying and valid points about cliff and Ainge, I do remember them playing with the starters alot. If that isnt enough, then lets go get a 3 and D guy for the bench with our TPE. I'm not as concerned about the second unit scoring as much as I am concerned that they need to take the next step to become good defenders, which I think is more important of the two from our bench. We also didn't have Nurk for much of the season last year and I think he will help imrpv most others ability to score. But, You win... again.. flippin know it all. Your memory is better than mine with regards to the rotations. I smoke much pot. Okay. Eclipse is starting, heading out to the backyard for a coffer and a lil green and gonna enjoy this. I have my camcorder set up to be offset from the sun a bit to see how it turns out. Hope I don't fry my lens!@
disagree....both Chief and Vonleh and probably Ed Davis are better defenders than Collins right now even though Collins can become a very good defender.....I think he could eventually test them but I don't see it this season at all. When Collins defends Kevin Durant the way Chief or Noah do.....I'll reconsider
I would start Dame, CJ, Turner, Swanigan, Nurkic with the only backup guard being Napier, Harkless as the backup SF, Leonard as backup PF and Zachollins as the backup C. Role players would be Pat, Vonleh and Aminu
I'd start Turner and have Mo and Chief come off the bench together...they play better together in my view...I start ET and Noah
Mo needs to play better off the bench then.... he'll score more off the bench than with the starters and ET shores up the defense on the perimeter
Moe and Aminu are not great ball handlers - I think it makes more sense to have ET play with one of them - so we have more ball-handling with a larger forward like guy
I am guessing they all fit better with Nurk. Actually they probably all fit better with Dame and CJ too. ET played his best ball when he started with Dame and CJ.
