Take pity on Dame and trade him

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    Not really sure other teams view him as damaged goods. This was an injury that he has suffered with for years and still played at an extremely high level. Also this is an injury that is not mechanical in nature. By that I mean not a blown knee or torn hamstring, the type of injuries that limit athleticism and career. He right now can pass any team's physical.
     
    SlyPokerDog, Apr 28, 2022
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    Man, way to make such an accurate comparison to the bullshit that is talking about dame being traded.

    Goodness, what were we all thinking?
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I guess you woke up today and said "how much can I be wrong in one post today".
     
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    Same thing the fanboys are always thinking, that Dame is going to be awesome forever and anyone who says otherwise is to be attacked. Reality sucks sometimes, but some can rationally deal with it and others can’t.

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    STOMP, Apr 28, 2022
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    No one thinks that.
     
    SlyPokerDog, Apr 28, 2022
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    Gerald Wallace seems like a solid comparison to Damian lillard.
     
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    There - I topped myself.
     
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    I want to update my response.

    Dame will be awesome forever! Not at basketball but as a person he will be awesome forever!

    #fanboydog
     
    SlyPokerDog, Apr 28, 2022
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    Wallace played great for the Blazers right after the trade. Loved his energy and hustle. Could not wait to get rid of him by the next season.
     
    Pinwheel1, Apr 28, 2022
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    Unfortunately that's not how winning in the NBA works. Otherwise we'd have been better with, Drew Eubanks, Brandon Williams, and Justise Winslow than we were with Dame or CJ. If that's the case, we should be title contenders by getting Hart back with those guys and Dame.

    Great job Cronin!
     
    Phatguysrule, Apr 28, 2022
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    I apologize to all for using the word "production", given the connotation of statistics that it garners. What I meant was "impact", specifically in terms of wins and losses, also considering factors like defense, efficiency, ball security, offensive gravity, etc. I assumed we all understood that scrubs putting up numbers in the absence of talent isn't in the same realm as legit starters playing in games that actually count, and didn't anticipate the condescension that would come along with not perfectly articulating every minute aspect of my intended point.

    My bad.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Apr 28, 2022
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    This is a masterclass, folks!
     
    Strenuus, Apr 28, 2022
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    Heh heh. Sorry to offend you. That wasn't my intention.

    History has shown that you don't get better by trading a star for non stars. The team trading the star gets less value almost every time.

    So I still disagree with you. The result of us trading Dame would likely be more losses, not fewer.
     
    Phatguysrule, Apr 28, 2022
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    well, the forum is heavily populated by smart-asses armed with quivers full of snarky arrows, so yeah. Usually, the suggestion is to trade Dame for a "huge haul" without ever saying what that haul would be....unless it's rasta saying trade Dame for Simmons

    as far as "legit starters playing in games that actually count", the first question is how many starters are you planning on getting for Dame? Does 2 seem reasonable? How about last season when Powell, Kanter, and RoCo combined for 37 points & 21 rebounds?

    a trade of Dame for Powell, RoCo, and Kanter plus a couple of late 1st round picks, one 5 years away, does look like the kinds of trades a lot of teams get for a star

    (for example, Houston traded Harden for Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, plus a pick swap that wasn't conveyed, a 17th pick, another pick swap that almost certainly won't be conveyed, and a couple more 1sts that may, or may not, be decent picks that would be conveyed 3.5 & 5.5 years after the trade)

    it's very likely that a Dame trade, for Portland, would be like trading a dollar for a quarter, 3 dimes, a nickel, and a penny. It is a lot of coins coming back, but it is exchanging quality for quantity and that almost never works out well in the NBA

    PG13 (twice), Kawhi, Butler (twice), AD, Harden (twice)....a lot of elite players have been traded in the last 5-6 years and not one of the teams trading the star became better because of the trade, they all got worse. And it's been true for a long time. Denver didn't get better for years after trading Melo; same with Utah and Deron Williams; Orlando and Dwight Howard; Pels and Chris Paul. I fail to see why somehow, the Blazers would be the exception (unless you're Danny Ainge trading with the Nets)
     
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    Though it was obvious, my point still went over your head. Trading a 30+ year old Gerald Wallace while he still had value was how Portland got Damian Lillard

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    too bad Billy King isn't a GM any more
     
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    Pot / Kettle. Despite the roster being nowhere close to competing, you are always opposed to even the idea of moving on from PDX's soon to be 32 year old superstar.

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    that's on you...propose a Dame trade that actually makes some sense

    but to your point...yeah, I'm opposed to trading Dame unless he asks to be traded
     
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    No it's not on me pottymouth. I've only stated I'm open to the possibility (I'd expect a boatload in return) while you throw a tantrum at any suggestion.

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    LOL...you really should be cautious about accusing other posters of tantrums
     
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