Take pity on Dame and trade him

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  1. STOMP

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    Oblivious much? You throw a fit at every turn, distorting arguments you claim to disagree with beyond recognition. Every other post is filled with cuss words. Tantrums is exactly how it reads.

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    Take pity on us and stop threads like this ..... NEXT

    but to offer something on this topic -- If the Blazers do not get back into the playoffs next season then I could see serious Dame trade talk BUT -- I DO NOT trust Cronin to get that trade done at ALL
     
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    you seem to come in angry to a lot of discussions...like this one. I usually don't. I'll snark for sure...you tantrum
     
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    PtldPlatypus They don't do much, you know Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Dame to Chicago, Lonzo/OG/Willams to Portland, Coby White/our 2023 FRP to Toronto. Saves us and Toronto money, preserves our TPE, gives Simons a backcourt-mate that makes sense, and resets the timeline for contention. :dunno:
     
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    ok...that trade at least makes a little sense and may be realistic, although I don't think any team will trade a lot for Dame until he shows he's still himself for half a season

    I disagree about the timeline for contention because there are not any all-stars coming in from the trade, and the Blazers need a couple to contend

    you've also traded for 3 players with extensive injury histories. OG has missed 76 games over the last 3 seasons; Lonzo has never played more than 55 games in a season and for his career has played in 239 games while missing 168. Williams only played in 17 games this season although I'm not sure what his injury was

    but that trade looks like what I described: Portland trades a dollar and gets back 2 quarters and a dime. Not even any draft picks
     
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    PtldPlatypus They don't do much, you know Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    When I say "resets the timeline", I mean that the team clearly wouldn't be expected to contend this next year, because they would be so much younger and would need to gel. The contention window would be pushed a couple years.

    I think it's overly simplistic to call Lonzo and OG "quarters" compared to Dame's "dolla", but this kind of thing is always speculative.

    But yes, it would be a gamble on health, and on growth and development of youngsters. Whereas staying with Dame is a gamble on his health (as you alluded to in your first paragraph), as well as on his defense, and a tiny backcourt, and his game meshing with Chauncey's coaching.

    I guess I see a roster of Lonzo/Ant/OG/Williams/Nurk + Keon/Hart/Nas/#6 pick/TPE/MLE (or something else of that nature after a different Dame trade) as having a lot of pieces with opportunity to grow into a balanced, deep, talented squad like Memphis has, and that being more likely than a Dame/Ant backcourt-centric team being more successful than the Dame/CJ version was.
     
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    Because moving Dame while he's still good makes us worse.
     
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    idea: somebody who proposes trading a player with a 13M salary for a player with a 40M salary doesn't know his ass from his elbow

    however,

    Dame (39.4M)

    for

    Zion (12.7M) + Valunciunas (14M) + Hayes (5.3M) + Murphy (3M) + Jones (1.7M) + Alvorado (1.5M) + 2022 Lakers pick + 2024 Lakers pick + 2024 Pels pick + 2027 Milwaukee or New Orleans 1st, whichever is higher, is just about salary neutral & something I might consider
     
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    Thats likely true. However, had Dame & the rest of the roster been completely healthy this past year I doubt they could have beat many of the Western playoff teams in a series. Maybe Utah, maybe the Pels, but the better teams would have swept them and thats who they'd have been matched up against. Posters are kidding themselves if they think this roster is anywhere in the vicinity of competing for a championship.

    Lillard will be 32 next season, how much longer will he be good? He's had a fabulous career and seemingly has some dominance ahead of him. I get why fans want to see him continue on as a Blazer, I just don't see them rising to contender status in the next year or two unless they make major changes that all turn into gold plus hit on all their picks. Thats extremely unlikely. Going forward with this mix likely means getting unceremoniously bounced in round 1 as Dame's career sunsets.

    I root for the team over any player. Season after season they've wasted prime Dame reshuffling their meh mix adding the occasional forward who can't shoot and 6'2 guard who can't defend. I want them to get a GM with some brains and balls to make moves that creates a roster that can compete. Mediocrity as the ceiling just so we can root for a favorite son some more is not a plan I endorse at all.

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    Well, trading Dame isn't going to get us closer to a championship. It will get us further away.

    I would rather have a front office willing to take chances working with Dame trying to get a championship than a front office preaching letting the cake bake.

    I'm totally fine with swinging for the fences as long as Dame wants to. If we can somehow pair him with an all star forward things could get very interesting for a few years.

    I'm in.
     
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    How? Portland has never been a player in Free Agency so forget that avenue. Trade Ant? Though I think moving Dame makes more sense given how far this roster is from competing, I've stated I'm for them exploring that too. I'm also open to them winning the lottery and having that guy exceed expectations from day 1. What I do not want is for them to sit on their hands and expect the SOS to work out. Now watch them resign Nurk to a max deal.

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    Don't know how. I never count on free agency. Taking advantage of other teams blowing it up seems to be about the best hope to get great value.

    You'll need guys who make good money to make that work.

    No way Nurk gets max money, IMO.
     
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    Regarding starting thread like this is I think OPs like the attention. That's why we'll see a dozen more "Trade Dame" threads (some by the same people) prior to next season here where one will suffice. I'm in the Keep Dame camp as I think he's something special and I'd truthfully be heartbroken if he were to suit up for another team. He openly opines he wants to be in Portland and has embraced the PNW.
     
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    They'll need assets that other teams want to make that work, not oft injured overpaid mediocre players which they have in spades. Of course they could package those guys with picks, but thats what they have been doing and here we are. I don't see a quick fix on the horizon.

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    1. Dame’s ongoing injuring is fixed, but other teams haven’t seen this pain free Dame for years. When they do, his value goes UP.
    2. All other things being equal, trading a year early is far better than a year late. Knowing which year that is being the trick. This year isn’t it. (See above.) And trading Dame is highly unlikely, regardless.
    3. The Cowherd interview makes it crystal clear: Dames wants a wing-man — one who is not currently on the team. That’s the plan for Cronin. Even with the Pelican pick becoming the Bucks pick, nothing about that has changed.

    The above are simply listing what others have said, implied … and what (IMHO) is a strong likelihood of happening. My only question is, “Which current wing player will the Blazers acquire?” [The likelihood of said player being a draftee is less likely.]
     
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    Herro and Simons would be a deadly backcourt…

    If you’re rebuilding *and* trying to sell the team this makes sense. Dame gets to play in Miami and compete for a title - which won’t happen in Portland unless they pull off some miracle trades.

    Herro and?
     
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    That would be the worst defensive backcourt in history
     
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    Herro and Bam and Jimmy and Strauss.

    Everytime I read this threads title, I think to myself "no." Dame isn't going to take pitty on Portland when he signs his extension and we shouldn't take pitty on him when he signs it fully knowing we're not a contender.

    If you want to make the case trading Dame is better for the organization, fine (I don't agree), but trading him out of pitty is a horrible idea.
     
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    Dame has said he'd be willing to take a pay cut to help Portland make a deal that would make them a contender. It's not about pity. It's about taking what he deserves.

    When the team does enough to get us there, and they come to Dame needing to get something done to put us over the top I have no doubt that Dame will get it done.
     

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