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calvin natt said:
Maybe just maybe Kevin Durant doesn’t want to come to Portland and he’s let it be known.
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This is very, very likely but it'll get spun as Joe not trying to get him somehow. Suns Heat Mavs and Raptors seem to top the list
 
TBpup said:
Even if we will be hard capped, it is still possible to make deals. NOP acquired CJ after they were hard-capped. If this is what Dame really wants (2 separate IG posts today), how could it be done? Cap gurus like @hoopsjock and anyone else who can definitively specify how this could happen ....I'm talking to you.
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The Pelicans were way under the hard cap line so they could take on all the extra salary and still be way under. The Blazers are too close to make it work, unless it's Dame going out. KD is impossible otherwise, thanks to the GP2 signing. In September they could combine Grant/Hart/Nas/Winslow to match Durant, but then the math to sign 3 minimums to get the roster back to 14 doesn't work and still staying under the tax, very close though.
 
TBpup said:
You would think he would have had enough discussions with Joe to know if it was possible. Has Joe outlined a way it could happen?
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This is how it jokingly went down:

Dame: "Get me GP2, we need him"

Cronin: "Okay Dame, we got him for you"

Dame: "Now let's get KD! I'll start recruiting!"

Cronin: "Um Dame, I have some bad news."
 
hoopsjock said:
The Pelicans were way under the hard cap line so they could take on all the extra salary and still be way under. The Blazers are too close to make it work, unless it's Dame going out. KD is impossible otherwise, thanks to the GP2 signing. In September they could combine Grant/Hart/Nas/Winslow to match Durant, but then the math to sign 3 minimums to get the roster back to 14 doesn't work and still staying under the tax, very close though.
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I just don't get the GP2 signing. It handicaps the franchise likely more than he will be able to help it. I get the defensive impact he can have, but if it is at the cost of the flexibility, length and roster balance Joe talked about, that doesn't seem to be worth it for a bench/role guy.
 
hoopsjock said:
This is how it jokingly went down:

Dame: "Get me GP2, we need him"

Cronin: "Okay Dame, we got him for you"

Dame: "Now let's get KD! I'll start recruiting!"

Cronin: "Um Dame, I have some bad news."
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Good humor is often based on a least a little reality, right?
 
TBpup said:
I just don't get the GP2 signing. It handicaps the franchise likely more than he will be able to help it. I get the defensive impact he can have, but if it is at the cost of the flexibility, length and roster balance Joe talked about, that doesn't seem to be worth it for a bench/role guy.
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Wait for the introductory press conference for GP2 and come back to this post:

They're gonna say they view GP2 as a forward. "It's different than Norm because the analytics show he's one of the best forward defenders in the league. The numbers bear that out both on the perimeter and in the post."
 
hoopsjock said:
Wait for the introductory press conference for GP2 and come back to this post:

They're gonna say they view GP2 as a forward. "It's different than Norm because the analytics show he's one of the best forward defenders in the league. The numbers bear that out both on the perimeter and in the post."
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For 15 minutes a game before he gets in foul trouble.
 
hoopsjock said:
The Pelicans were way under the hard cap line so they could take on all the extra salary and still be way under. The Blazers are too close to make it work, unless it's Dame going out. KD is impossible otherwise, thanks to the GP2 signing. In September they could combine Grant/Hart/Nas/Winslow to match Durant, but then the math to sign 3 minimums to get the roster back to 14 doesn't work and still staying under the tax, very close though.
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Don’t you only have to get to 13? 12 active and one inactive is the bare minimum. Two ways don’t count.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Don’t you only have to get to 13? 12 active and one inactive is the bare minimum. Two ways don’t count.
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No, it's 14 players under contract not counting the two-ways.

You might be thinking about the rules for how many active players on gameday.
 
My question here is "Is there a timing thing here?"
If the Payton trade has not been finalized could they still move Bledsoe for Durant and then after all is said and done go after Payton?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
My question here is "Is there a timing thing here?"
If the Payton trade has not been finalized could they still move Bledsoe for Durant and then after all is said and done go after Payton?
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order of operations does not matter. They need to be under the hard cap if they use the MLE to sign Payton, and need to be able to fill out the roster.
 
RR7 said:
order of operations does not matter. They need to be under the hard cap if they use the MLE to sign Payton, and need to be able to fill out the roster.
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That was my question. Thank you.
 
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we dont know if KD would even want to be here. If he flay out says no then Joe should run away from the table. I still think Phx Tor and Mia ate the strongest suitors, maybe Boston too. And Dallas is anothet darkhorse.
 
Being upset about not trading Dame feels like going to watch the first Harry Potter movie and getting upset that they don't kill off Harry.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
My question here is "Is there a timing thing here?"
If the Payton trade has not been finalized could they still move Bledsoe for Durant and then after all is said and done go after Payton?
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Nope. It doesn’t work financially.
 
Cugel said:
we dont know if KD would even want to be here. If he flay out says no then Joe should run away from the table. I still think Phx Tor and Mia ate the strongest suitors, maybe Boston too. And Dallas is anothet darkhorse.
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Jus heard that GS Warriors have interest. According to Mark Spears.......pkg of Wiseman, Poole, Kumanga, & Wiggans
 
Hoopguru said:
Jus heard that GS Warriors have interest. According to Mark Spears.......pkg of Wiseman, Poole, Kumanga, & Wiggans
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If Wiseman is healthy that's a helluva return. I also think it makes the Warriors even worse. They've already lost a bunch of key role players and in this trade they lose the rest of them. The only players leftover from this year's championship that got meaningful minutes would be Steph, Klay, Dray and Looney. I'm not saying they won't get some depth out of rign chasers and obviously DiVincenzo will give them production.
 
blazerkor said:
If Wiseman is healthy that's a helluva return. I also think it makes the Warriors even worse. They've already lost a bunch of key role players and in this trade they lose the rest of them. The only players leftover from this year's championship that got meaningful minutes would be Steph, Klay, Dray and Looney. I'm not saying they won't get some depth out of rign chasers and obviously DiVincenzo will give them production.
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but....Curry-Durant-Klay-Draymond all aging out together would probably win 2 or 3 more championships
 
Why should I pity Dame? A superstar athlete making a huge amount of money, beloved in his city and by teammates, family man. Healthy.
In a pitiable world, I admire Dame but don't pity him.
 
Here's a huge question I almost never see asked - IS DAME A BILLUPS TYPE PLAYER? My personal answer is no and can/will Dame change his game at 32? Dame is a lousy defender and likes to walk the ball up the court, Billups wants his players to play hard at BOTH ends and push the ball up the court - IMO they really don't mesh.
 
B-Roy said:
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Lillard just shared this story on his IG lol
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illmatic99 said:
He needs a refresher on the hard cap. Feel bad for him tbh. Putting himself out there to recruit when it is almost completely impossible
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Is it possible the GP2 offer has a contingency; that if the Blazers can complete a Durant trade then GP2 will sign for the tax MLE?

I remember Wes Matthews contract with Dallas being verbally agreed to so it was x dollars with DeAndre to fit in the cap; but if DeAndre wasn't there Wes got ~4 million more to match the offer Sacramento gave him.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Is it possible the GP2 offer has a contingency; that if the Blazers can complete a Durant trade then GP2 will sign for the tax MLE?

I remember Wes Matthews contract with Dallas being verbally agreed to so it was x dollars with DeAndre to fit in the cap; but if DeAndre wasn't there Wes got ~4 million more to match the offer Sacramento gave him.
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sure...that's possible. And if Payton was ok with either that would explain the press conference in a couple of days

but the Durant saga (and maybe the Simmons saga) could drag out all summer. Payton won't wait that long

Look (tmOlshey)...I'll say again that Portland being hard-capped will likely impact fantasy trades a lot more than any real trades. But if Payton was willing to sign with Portland for the tax-MLE, I wish the Blazers would have done that
 
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WesleyMatthews said:
Is it possible the GP2 offer has a contingency; that if the Blazers can complete a Durant trade then GP2 will sign for the tax MLE?

I remember Wes Matthews contract with Dallas being verbally agreed to so it was x dollars with DeAndre to fit in the cap; but if DeAndre wasn't there Wes got ~4 million more to match the offer Sacramento gave him.
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It was reported that GS's offer was close to the Tax-MLE. It's not contingent on anything. He only took the offer because it was more than the Tax-MLE.
 
What I think happened with the whole league is that the Kevin Durant trade demand made a lot of teams hold onto their PF players to include in a trade to get him...OG attempts fell flat, Collins attempts didn't pan out..nor Wood and thankfully not Bridges.....also the staff may value Nas and their rookies more than fans do at this point. People don't mention Watford or Brown or Nas much when talking about positions of need. We have guys who can cover the SF position and a couple who could thrive there as it is that won't gut the roster or eat up more cap. I'm going to go with what Schmitz and Cronin decide as far as managing the cap and assessing talent development vs trades. I love the Payton signing and think the front office really values what he does to help Dame and Ant when one of them rests. Winslow can play SF as well.
 
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illmatic99 said:
He needs a refresher on the hard cap. Feel bad for him tbh. Putting himself out there to recruit when it is almost completely impossible
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Thanks Neil, we need you to state again what you're responsible for.
 
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