I'm quite aware of what he was saying...my point stands, if everybody felt their vote didn't count, what's the purpose of having an election? If you also feel your vote is immaterial, does that mean you won't be voting?
Exactly right. Hillary Clinton beat Trump in Oregon by an 11% margin. Romney lost by 12% in 2012 and McCain by 16% in 2008. If the Democrats run a candidate who is flawed enough to lose in Oregon due to voter apathy, they deserve four more years of Trump.
"If everybody felt..." is not realistic. I deal in realism. And no, that doesn't mean I won't vote. It does however mean that mean that I have no qualms about voting minor party. Because my vote doesn't matter.
"If everybody felt..." doesn't have to be realistic, it was used to make a point. If, as you say, your "vote doesn't matter", why bother voting?...why waste your time?...that make no sense.
That is true, but it doesn't change the general attitude I'm speaking to, regardless of the state. Did you vote in 2016?...if so, I assume you voted for either Trump or Clinton?
I have many friends that are Dem's that voted for the libertarian and a couple for Trump because they couldn't stand who Trump was running against. They will vote for Joe this time around, I believe.
I vote because as you say, it's both a right and a privilege, and it is my responsibility to be part of the voting bloc. It is also my responsibility to model for my children that behavior, to demonstrate that responsibility for them. None of that changes the fact that whether I vote for Trump, Hornberger, Blankenship, or @SlyPokerDog, Biden will unquestionably be receiving Oregon's 7 electoral votes in November. How you "feel" about that mindset is as irrelevant as my vote.
Man, for a guy who isn't a Democrat you sure seem concerned that I may not cast my vote for Biden. I didn't like either of the major party candidates in 2016 so I voted for Johnson. I knew he had zero chance of winning but, on balance, his views aligned more closely with mine than Clinton's or Trump's. A candidate has to earn my vote through their qualities and platform. I won't vote for them just because they're the alternative to a bad incumbent. The way I look at it, if I go into a cafe and they have only a choice between a shit sandwich or a scrambled eggs and brains dish that's only slightly dirty, I'll choose to skip lunch or look for another place to eat.
Yup, for many people both Clinton and Trump were too polarizing in 2016, and so they went a different route, which is fine...at least they took the time to vote.
Shoot maybe I am “pro abortion” then. Just watch the rallies at govt buildings with their assault rifles draped over their shoulders. That would have been a perfect time for mass abortions.
Well, there you go...at least you voted. I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton either. Ant you're right, I don't align myself with either party but I cannot abide and concede another 4 years for Trump...and for him to be ousted in November it will take an organized and concerted effort by the majority of voters to show their displeasure in his first 4 years. For me, job one is to remove Trump. As I've said, Biden was not my first choice but come November he will be. I won't support Trump by voting for a candidate that has no chance of winning or what's worse, not vote at all.
And that tie is neither blue nor bright red, which we all know are the only acceptable presidential power ties. Clearly a communist or at least an ass-licker.
Be careful there, man...you'll be chastised again by those who say you're horrible person for wishing death on someone.
